vill1 was playing 14/12/5.7 over 805 hands
vill 2 was 17/14/3.1 3bet and 2.3 4bet range over 274 hands

i wasnt expecting a shove from button, but also was really weird he was just calling a shortstack.
And what should i do if button 3bets instead of calling the utg raise.

[converted_hand][hand_history]Party, $100 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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SB: 10,286 (41.1 bb)
UTG+1: 6,965 (27.9 bb)
MP1: 9,448 (37.8 bb)
CO: 9,354 (37.4 bb)
BTN: 14,506 (58 bb)
UTG+2: 1,495 (6 bb)
Hero (BB): 17,626 (70.5 bb)
MP3: 4,404 (17.6 bb)
MP2: 4,232 (16.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q A
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to 750, 4 folds, BTN calls 750, SB folds, Hero raises to 2,100, UTG+2 calls 720 and is all-in, BTN raises to 14,481 and is all-in, Hero ???

Fold, you're beat almost always.Looks like JJ+ & AK to me.

meh if that happens, wouldn't like any option in this case. I tend to just fold due to his low 3b% although this feels really weak.

Strange line by button that screams strength. You gotta fold here.

If he 3bets, I suppose it's a bit read dependent, though I probably call and reassess the majority of the time a button player does this, and as a 2nd option feel 4betting is perhaps better than folding. Oft not fold to BTN 3bets. =)

you are cold calling a 3bet out of position with AQo the majority of the time? Really?

yep, v weird line from BTN. if he has AA/KK, i'd expect him to call your raise and let a side pot develop. this kinda caps his range.

so how wide is he? i've seen plenty of players jam here with any range that beats the utg+2 open, which is fairly wide.

imho this is lineball and i'd snap call if deeper. as it stands, can see arguments either way. going out on a limb (just because everyone else will fold) and suggesting call.

fold. there is a ridic amount of AK in v's range and u should not be playing poker seriously unless u can do something else than calling 60bb with AQ. rebuy periods aside, lol

If it's deeper buttons range becomes stronger and getting it in is going to be a mistake a lot.

He's always comitted against the OR when he flats and the OR is always committed. Given that he's going to expect squeezes more frequently than cold 4's flatting then jamming seems strong enough at these stacks. I don't see him flatting AJ then back raising anywhere near to the frequency that he's doing it with AK

looking at those stats again i'm inclined to agree that BTN is not likely to be given to flights of fancy in this spot. will see how it pans out. just a gut feel.

folding

foldskis

Yeah, given the circumstances. As deep as both players are, I think if BTN had hypothetically 3bet and the action was back on me, I'd fancy folding less than my other two options with this particular holding. It's a strong hand, and while reverse-implied odds are certainly not favoring us in this spot (especially given OOP), I think competent players are capable of averting disaster against most opponents on most flops. Now, if stacks were different, or if my read was such that this opponent was sneaky good and capable of elaborate/convoluded plays, then I'm obviously folding more than I usually would.

If we are of the mindset that, when between 50-100 BBs, we r/f all non-paired hands we open with (barring AK), then I think our weakness would be quite exploitable. Bottom line, our hand is too good to fold given the hypotetical scenario of getting 3bet by the BTN, and 4betting leaves us vulnerable to shove/folding flops due to pot size upon calls (FAR from ideal with stacks as they are preflop), or folding to a 5bet shove. Given the scenario, I feel calling>raising>>>folding.

there's a difference between r/f non paired hands and cold calling a 3bet. I'm r/c tons of unpaired stuff to small 3bets 50-100bb's deep, if I've opened them.

I'd rather 4bet than call

seems like a call pre. i dont mind to play this OOP.
also wtf at his openraise with 6BB with a 3BB stack.