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04-13-2015 , 04:26 PM

The Dominator

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 179

Just wondering how you chaps would have handled this one? He obv has a 10 and we don't have odds to call correct?

Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35941511

MP2: 2,960 (148 bb)
MP3: 3,000 (150 bb)
CO: 2,970 (148.5 bb)
BTN: 3,020 (151 bb)
SB: 8,980 (449 bb)
Hero (BB): 3,000 (150 bb)
UTG+2: 6,000 (300 bb)
MP1: 10,530 (526.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

5 folds, BTN calls 20, SB completes, Hero raises to 120, BTN calls 100, SB folds

Flop: (260) J

(2 players)
Hero bets 180, BTN calls 180

Turn: (620) T

(2 players)
Hero bets 372, BTN raises to 744, Hero folds

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04-14-2015 , 05:57 AM

mashxx

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definitely check this turn

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04-25-2015 , 12:59 PM

Sai Fon

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 206

Checking turn, as played finding a fold readless on villain.

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04-25-2015 , 01:05 PM

TAG-NIT

adept

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,174

I'd handle it like this:
Fold and move on. All you had was top pair early n a tournament where chip saved are as important as chips earned. You already know he was not min raise-bluffing. You still have 120BB.

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04-26-2015 , 05:46 PM

gregz41

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Check flop is > betting flop.

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04-26-2015 , 07:33 PM

budzior

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 10

I like your line. You looks strong with your preflop, flop and turn acting so dont be afraid to fold this. Otherwise I like your bets, there are weaker hands (like KQ, KJ, maybe 99?) which you can get value from.

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04-27-2015 , 09:20 AM

NikTheGreek

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Why do we ever want to check this turn. Sure there are a few Tx in villains range but there are a lot more Qx, Jx, Kx that he continues and Im not sure i want to give a free card on this board.
Easy fold when raised..

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04-27-2015 , 09:44 AM

gregz41

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Originally Posted by NikTheGreek

Because we don't have many hands in our flop cbet range that contain Tx, on the contrary, villain does have many Tx combos.

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04-27-2015 , 10:16 AM

NikTheGreek

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Originally Posted by gregz41

Because we don't have many hands in our flop cbet range that contain Tx, on the contrary, villain does have many Tx combos.

so we only double barrel with Tx for value ott? Really?
Especially vs this villain shouldnt we value bet wider for value?

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04-27-2015 , 10:30 AM

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gregz41

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It's not that we only bet Tx on the turn, it's that betting on turns that improve villains range a lot, and ours very rarely, presents a lot of headaches. And yes, vs a sticky villain, I think you can bet wider, and this might be a thin 3 streets hand when you get blanker run outs, however I feel this Tx is a card we might need to check a huge% of our range on.

Last edited by gregz41; 04-27-2015 at 10:52 AM.

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04-27-2015 , 10:35 AM

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NikTheGreek

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Originally Posted by gregz41

It's not that we only bet Tx on the turn, it's that betting on turns that improve villains range a lot, and ours very rarely presents a lot of headaches. And yes, vs a sticky villain, I think you can bet wider, and this might be a thin 3 streets hand when you get blanker run outs, however I feel this Tx is a card we might need to check a huge% of our range on.

I agree with everything you say (as a concept) apart from the fact that this turn improves villains range a lot.

But Im mainly an online cash player and its probable I have given the wrong ranges to villain here.. Maybe some others can help a bit.

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04-27-2015 , 10:53 AM

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gregz41

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I'd guess it includes Tx, Jx, Qx and Kx after he calls our flop cbet.

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04-27-2015 , 11:15 AM

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NikTheGreek

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Originally Posted by gregz41

I'd guess it includes Tx, Jx, Qx and Kx after he calls our flop cbet.

I would also add a few flush draws and since he seems a fish some 9x, and random stuff like Ax gutters etc.

But even with your range do you still believe that the T ott improves villains range a lot?

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04-27-2015 , 11:25 AM

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ozmosis313

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this is a 5$ rebuy tourney?.. can affect how wide he is if it's the case people do all kinds of loose stuff in early rebuys.

I think you could check flop, or check the turn, one of the two. your hand isn't really that strong on the turn to be double barrelling for pure value

, and even if he has a flush draw your probably better off playing a bluff.catch line. You don't want to just barrel away in this instance oop. your beating stuff like kj,kq,.

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04-27-2015 , 07:45 PM

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gamboneee

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Originally Posted by NikTheGreek

But even with your range do you still believe that the T ott improves villains range a lot?

Yeah

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04-27-2015 , 09:41 PM

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gregz41

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Originally Posted by NikTheGreek

A significant amount that we can't ignore.

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04-28-2015 , 05:51 AM

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NikTheGreek

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hm.. fair enough.. I guess this is the difference with cash games. Those are the spots that we pot control in tournaments but fist pump value bet on cash games.

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