Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 175/350 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 3,057 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 11)
MP: 7,243 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 162)
Hero (MP+1): 27,182
MP+2: 14,286 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: 7,717 (VPIP: 26.88, PFR: 17.20, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 93)
BTN: 11,853 (VPIP: 30.56, PFR: 15.28, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 72)
SB: 26,096 (VPIP: 20.88, PFR: 13.19, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 183)
BB: 5,307 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 17.58, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 93)
UTG: 9,524 (VPIP: 27.01, PFR: 15.64, 3Bet Preflop: 6.10, Hands: 211)

9 players post ante of 35, SB posts SB 175, BB posts BB 350

Pre Flop: (pot: 840) Hero has 8 8

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3,022 and is all-in, fold, Hero?

Fold. He should be shoving something like this 33+, A4s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, A9o+, KJo+, QJo. Against that range you should call 77+. But he probably isn't even shoving that wide.

Your second problem is that there are just so many people left to act. Flatting is ****ty because what are you going to do if MP+2, BTN or SB sqeeuze? Jamming is even worse. Do you want to risk so many bbs /w 88? I think the best play is to just fold here.

Close fold

Surely this isn't a fold ?! Would probably flat call and then call off vs two <20BB stacks behind, would be just calling top of range too so isn't exploitable

Huh....seems like a std call to me, am I missing sth?

yah seems like a call

I flatted with the plan of calling off the 5k and the two 7k stacks, but it felt kinda gross, and I don't really know a good way of calculating my odds considering all the stacks behind.

Not thrilling to call off other shorties when you hold 88.
Villain dependent but yeah it's close.

Another sick thread PP

Sup Swede you played cash right wtf?

yes sir! But after close to 10 years of cash games I kind of lost passion for it. Felt like I had learned everything I could. But tournaments are a lot of fun! And I feel like I have a very big edge in the earlier levels, unfortunally my edge decreases as the blinds increase haha Oh well, I'll get the hang of preflop shortstack dynamics soon enough I'm sure

it's gross but i believe this is the way to play it...

Well I'm not thrilled, but it's a standard +cEv-Call, so yeah. Barring any specific reads or other reasons to fold it's a simple call imho

Dont see how this is a obvious fold its either call or shove from here. he can iso and the stacks behind him are folding 85% of hands if he shoves even can find a fold with 1010 and under they may not be fplding ak aq but how often do they have that here and flatting is asking for them to join the pot this guy wh just shoved only has around 4k i beleive if i saw right so his range is so wide its ridculous he could be shoving with any face card, sometimes these short swtacks shove and you call off light and they have AA but more than likley not +ev to shove imo

Well no I don't think it is obvious to fold. Before I did some calculations I would probably have flatted as well.

The guys behind him are even folding more. Probably 94,61%. I think TT+ AQs+ AKo+ could cold 4bet jam for value. Maybe AQo and AJs as bluf vs hero(bluf + value = 5,39%). But that also depends on their tendencies and history.

I am not going to do all the probability calculations. But if you want to do it yourself you can find it here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...remium-908580/

The probability of somebody waking up with a hand in this range is 5% x 5 players behind you = ~25%

As stated before. I don't think the average UTG+1 is shoving as wide as he should be. So I give him the range I think he would shove with.
UTG+1 25.93% equity 44+, A4s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A8o+, KTo+, QJo
MP1 29.37% equity 8d8h
?? 44.70% equity TT+, AJs+, AQo+

Vs a jam of MP+2 and SB you don't have the correct odds to call a cold 4bet jam so you have to fold 8,5 bbs without even having a chance to win the pot.

Taking all these things into consideration I would fold yes. Just find a better spot.

Looking at hrc-results:
UTG+1 19.5%, 22+ A3s+ A9o+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s
--------------MP1 10.1%, 44+ A9s+ ATo+

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm OK folding here. It's a close spot, though, and I don't mind the flat. Honestly, I think the flat looks stronger than a min-raise ISO play. I definitely would not be raising or jamming here.