so the ppl who say flat should give reasons why they flat?
and the ppl who r/c dont have to? in fact they should explain why they choose sizing x or y and why they dont just jam.
there are like 10% of posters in this forum who are able (or motivated) to write more than just oneliners, the rest just trolls or wants to learn.
Flatting as Foks mentioned, basically let the donk keep donking...no need to encourage a fold when he already donked a PSB otf. Should be able to shove to most any large lead on the turn, if he checks turn we can make it 25k ott and give him room to shove (with perceived FE) or set up our shove OTR
Reason for r/c is this dude sizing and his perceived range, I don't want any h or 9, 8, 6 to come on the turn (or i.e. K if he has QQ). I don't think there are too many hands that will pay us off on the turn/river instead.
So please, why flat with this many scare cards to kill our action to come?
If you flat you'd have to be really confident that he's going to donk huge again really often and pot commit himself on turn, since he's basically never folding the flop if we click it back or make it 39k or whatever, and that pretty much commits him anyway.
Just doesn't seem to be any reason not to get more money in on flop.
If you flat you'd have to be really confident that he's going to donk huge again really often and pot commit himself on turn, since he's basically never folding the flop if we click it back or make it 39k or whatever, and that pretty much commits him anyway.
Just doesn't seem to be any reason not to get more money in on flop.
This. Flatting feels very wrong here.
He's gonna check his sets and weird 2 pairs that decided to defend basically always, so we're ahead. His sizing doesn't indicate anything other than that he wants to put more chips in the pot, so start putting more chips in.
I'd be curious to hear why some people like flatting cuz I actually really hate it, maybe I'm missing something.
The logic of flatting I believe flows from the fact that if we raise villains nearly PSB our hands gonna look way too strong for villain to call.
and the villain will not fold anyway if he is betting a value hand like top pair. We cannot give him credit for making big folds, because he is not a good player - this big donk bet shows this clearly.
I r/c on this board all day. If we had A I can imagine flatting, but not now.
Here is the rest of the hand in case someone is interested. When I look at the hand now I should have make the raise little bigger otf in case villain flats the flop raise. Didn't matter this time though Thanks for the responses.
and the villain will not fold anyway if he is betting a value hand like top pair. We cannot give him credit for making big folds, because he is not a good player - this big donk bet shows this clearly.
I r/c on this board all day. If we had A I can imagine flatting, but not now.
I agree with you. I'm likely raising here as well given the situation. I had mentioned the exact same thing in the remainder of the post you quoted, idk if u read it all. But flatting has a place if we have reads, are deeper stacked, and the board is dry, etc, as I also mentioned. You can't say "this move is always right, this move is always wrong", except for very simple mathematical spots, etc, you have to be aware of all elements that factor in.
Board is only getting uglier OTT and OTR, that much is for sure. The pot is healthy as is. Nice stack sizes for shoving here, which likely has highest EV IMO as there's increased likelihood that he perceives it as weak and calls.
Like this logic still, especially in light of OPs description of villain as tight.
Looks like a very fishy play by the villain, so I'm not gonna take him seriously. He is either bluffing or actually thinks he's ahead and protecting his top pair, and will not fold a shove. Therefore, flatting or shoving are both legit, all depends on your read on him. I'm shoving it.
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I can imagine flatting, but not now.
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