[converted_hand][hand_history]IPoker, 5r/a 2k gtd (2,500/5,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
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BB: 128,018 (25.6 bb)
MP1: 145,803 (29.2 bb)
MP2: 97,206 (19.4 bb)
MP3: 85,356 (17.1 bb)
CO: 216,585 (43.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): 69,530 (13.9 bb)
SB: 149,502 (29.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 8

MP2 RAISES TO 10 000 folds to hero.


payjumps
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I feel like I kindof have to jam with my stack but a tight player at raise utg+2
no reads as he has been tight/nittish but possibly opening up shorthanded.
14/17/2 over 160 hands

feels like I'll wind up getting it in bad too much, on the other hand blinds are coming around faster as we get shorter and my stack is dwindling.


you passing or shoving here and why? Felt like a disgusting spot to be in vs someone that tightish perceivably anyways.

i wager it all. but curious to hear from others who are more icm savvy than me.

my thoughts: given you're the only <15bb stack behind him, he's more likely to be opening wider. also, his stats (which i assume are 17/14?) may not be representative of his play when 7-handed.

Min raise UTG+2 here is weaker than a limp with those blinds. flat here risks shove behind you and although you are in position flop is likely to hit villain's range (or back-side callers) so options are shove or fold. Might get a better hand later, but with smaller stack as blinds/antes whittle you down.

I'd shove here.

Shove and 17/14 isn't that tight.

What do you start to consider "that tight" as far as stats go?


I'm pretty sure they were the tightest stats of all the players on the table, and those hands probably weren't from the ft either. But the table was playing tight in general, and this is the first action Ive seen from him.

I think if we jam, our stack is still just big enough on this ft to get a fold from weakish aces and some broadways, allowing us to get some chips without flipping. But I wouldn't fault anyone for folding here if you think opener's range is 77+ AJ+ For example. 16 vpip is for all positions, he's not in late position here...

Well, generally anything under 15 and consider the player tight. When their VPIP drops in to 1 digits I mark them as nits. There are lots of masstabling tightasses who are playing 12/10 or 11/9 style. 17/14 isn't prolly winning the LAG of the year tittle, but I con't consider those stats supertight either.

PFR 14% could be something like this: 55+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, ATo+, KQo

I don't play with a hud anymore but I'd look at positional stats, there are some 17/14 guys who just open 14% of hands regardless of position and there are some who play better. it's not criminal to fold against the latter but pretty bad to fold against the former.

^^This - much better explained than my post

Fold if he's really tight pay jumper, jam otherwise.

Jam and let him have the ICM headache. Your currently in last place and villain is one of the other shorter stacks that your shove will threaten a lot more than some of the bigger stacks.

So your not concerned when a tight player opens from early position. The point you make about villain also being one of the shorter stacks makes me particularly weary of him opening so early, I mean I don't think hes speculating. And how much fold equity do I really have vs 22+,kq, atss+aj off plus. Once it comes back to him. And that's a liberal range imo.

What is the success rate of jamming here in your experience, regarding opponents ability to actually fold?

easy jam, this is spot you waited for.

ok. Guesse I need to jam more... getting snapped off by qq in situations like this doesn't help to change my tendencies any. I had a bad feeling but I was like no... I really have to shove here or I'll dwindle. So just variance then right? badluck, standardship?

thanks guys.

**** happens, the other times he'll have AT/AJ and maybe sometimes pussy out against your reshove. Just think of all the hands that he could be raising (even if he's tight, you won't tell me that someone folds AJ in his spot) and how many of them you can fold out and how well you fare against calling range. It's all very easily 'computable'

right... how low do we go on the spectrum that is what is the worst hand you would shove in this condition?

You're in last place so there's not really that much ICM tax on you.

It mostly depends on your opponent, if he's good enough to realize he shouldn't be calling you wide at all.

Anyway 88 is a bit too good to pass up on. 77 could be argued as a fold against a known nit. You're not making any huge mistake either way.