[ ] bluffing fish is usually the way to go

flop bluff seems fine against fish that actually fold the flop after raising pre. turn and river bluff are not good, in general.

Why create a thread if you aren't gunna take any of the advice into account... and still try to justify plays that are clearly bad

Why post in threads where you know the OP won't take advice?

I know my answer.

still same stupid s*it... why creeaaate a threeeaad....

I`m not justifying anything you dumby, I`m just discussing the hand.
How have you figured that s*it you`re questioning me now?

meh i thought it meant sb just arrived and didnt post or get cards

You assume that I knew this prior to my original post...

You're "discussion" had no logic...

I mean FISH could fold 66,77,99 or even weak T after third barrel as well as AQ or AK if they would call 2 with those. Obviously most people commenting this would decide OTT whether they call river with those hands. This needs more specific reads.

I still don't know whether third barrel is good or not, but I like turn bet-river check behind more because most people decide with weakish showdown value hands OTT and river checkback wins decent amount of time.

Ok, lets think about his range:
If we check river behind the range our sdv beats is TINY... and my assumption that there`s pretty wide range of weak hands in his range which he`s proceeding with in c/c-mode trying to improve or get cheap sd.

Few hands are really improved on that runout, which makes me think jamming river is more +ev play than checking behind. Jamming is good for some reasons beyond just his range consideration.

If I check river behind I`ll win pot just like 15-20% of times.

Board: 8c Tc 2d 3s 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 17.258% 13.00% 04.26% 165 54.00 { AJo }
Hand 1: 82.742% 78.49% 04.26% 996 54.00 { 99, 77-66, 44, AJs+, A8s, KcQc, KcJc, QJs, 98s, 87s, 6c5c, 5c4c, AJo+, A8o, QJo, 98o, 87o }


And I need him to fold 42% of times to a shove to br-even with it.
Since 20% of times when we have "better" or chops he`s mostly folding (for his own sake obv) then I really need him to fold 25% more of his rubbish range to make jamming better checking better.

This is pretty bad I don't like it.. I have no idea what hand can open pre then decide to c/c flop and turn but if it was a weirdly played draw u have the best hand and if its a made hand he's not going to fold it.. so your bet on the river is entirely pointless..

Pre is really awkward, I genuinely don't know what I'd do in game. Leaning towards fold.

I'd just bet once when he checks to us, think he c/f's a lot.

vs. villain's stats I don't think you can fold pre

The stacks behind me make me wary about flatting pre because of how active the opener is. I know we can snap of squeezes when the OR folds but just feel a bit meh about flatting.

6handed vs a confirmed pf spazz and some history, why not 3b/c 25BB deep.

Am I understimating the times he 4b's light from these positions?

I feel strongly that because of the other stack sizes at the table, our 3b will not be perceived as light very often which obviously effects how wide his 4b range is. Thoughts?

Interesting spot, be interested to see how others approach this spot and do they think about the above points.

I said it was tricky. No 1k in pot and his weird approach to 4betting (as histry suggests) make me think I dont want to 3b/c AJ vs him.