BB is sitting out and I have a laggro scandi image. BTN is a very good hs reg. This is a snap fold because of stack sizes, right?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $250(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($4,054)
BB ($14,488)
UTG ($3,543)
UTG+1 ($4,678)
UTG+2 ($3,655)
MP1 ($14,959)
MP2 ($9,099)
CO ($11,548)
BTN ($7,453)

Dealt to Hero 7 7

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $500, fold, fold

BTN wins $850

more like an ATC shove?
cant imagine folding ANY pair there, and even if we only shove 50% of the time this is a profitable raise for him.

You think he's shoving pre with most of his range and only min raising if he's bladed?

I def shove there.

i would def. shove, he can be "inducing" really wide anyway if you're that scandi (such that it's a profitable shove even if he's r/c everything), and can certainly be r/f some.

in game gut feeling and than trust it.

About his range, very likely this raise consists of his bladed part, but on the other hand i think it very likely also consist of a total trash part that he is r/f here aswell as if he is aware of your image as he prolly is his raise induce range is prolly decent wide here aswell, so u are in somewhat decent shape to his calling range.

Overall im shoving this unless I feel extremely confident that his raise is just to induce.

doubt i could shove quickly enough..

If BTN is a good reg he should be shoving his whole range here assuming he knows you're not ******ed. Anywayz im all in.. sigh you got me if hes trapping AA or something... which is an unbelievably stupid play. But i do think theres a significant chance he is raising trash and was playing a lot of tables not noticing the BB sitting out.

Ooof. Ship and ship quickly.

Much like where I wanted to fold JJ wiith 10BB in that thread, sometimes you just have a feeling. Like this spot is nearly always a ship but if you just have that feeling that BTN is on this level...

chuck normally your logic is good when you make herofolds but this time you are a ****ing idiot.

wat?!


honestly guys, this is tilting. A random starts this thread, he'll get berated to no end. Chuck starts it and it becomes ok because of a gut feeling... gut feeling is meaningless in the context of a HH in a strat thread. so if you are not ready to tell chuck his play was awful then please refrain from clogging up the thread with brown-nosing, meaningless BS

Chuck still delivers the best threads/discussions lately in MS- and HSMTT, I don't think there's anything wrong with this thread.
It just seems he might be overthinking some spots, even though most of the time it's in a positive way of doing so.

Eventually try not to post such narrow thoughts so often, think outside the box etc.

I didn't say anything was wrong with the thread. I clearly was referring to the responses.


I always post my thought process in as much detail I feel necessary. In this spot though, there are 2 options and one of them is outrageously better than the other.

maybe save the criticism for the ****ing idiot comment?

All in

Go all in Miikka Anttonen.

dont wanna upset ss so ill just say go all in

awful, as mentioned he can be inducing a lot worse, plus he may not want to open ship in case bb sits back in.

Good points here btw. I guess I'm a leveling idiot

desperado you're a ****ing idiot too in your hands and when you make really bad posts normally i tell this to you. chuck normally makes really good posts but chuck also makes really stupid ones sometimes and imo the best way for someone smart enough like chuck to learn is to be called a ****ing idiot by someone who's opinion he respects (that would be mine, and b4 you think im all ego happy, he told me this, so somc). Chuck is a great player in his own regard and he's not afraid to post hands where hes a stupid ****ing idiot to get feedback that hes a stupid ****ing idiot, which is respectful in it's own case. I don't actually think Chuck is a stupid ****ing idiot normally. When a random does it becaues he actually is a stupid ****ing idiot, it's a bit different.

Well, ****!

don't understand this post...first because when a good player does something that looks stupid it's far more likely that it's reasonable than if a random does it (though in this case he just did something stupid ). Second because most of the replies before yours were saying it was an easy shove

apparently there wasn't enough abuse.

though i think isux took care of that.

chuck loves my abuse

I was mainly referring to the gut feeling remarks. those are useless. Nothing against chuck, I think it's better for him if people are objective about his posts instead of ALWAYS finding a way to not disagree with him. If he wanted people to be nice and agree with him he wouldn't have made the thread. I think I made it clear that I am not condoning abuse. But someone who comes in and says "well I would do the same if I had a gut feeling" clearly doesn't agree with the play, so why not just say that? the answer is really simple, they don't feel comfortable criticizing someone who is better than them. In that case, don't post.


Isux, I don't care whether you're serious or not, I think you are a ****ing idiot anyway

Again, apologize if it sounded like I am targeting chuck. that would be unwarranted here. and knowing him probably always.