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Old 12-08-2011, 06:33 AM   #1
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54ko KK OOP facing turn raise

Line check please?

villain is running 24/12 over 34 hands. I was really confused by the turn raise. I felt that he probably raises two pair, set or a draw otf on this board. When the 7 hits and he raises I can't ever imagine it being a set of 7s because he would likely fold on that flop. Could be Qxdd or more likely AQdd and even if he has two pair I have some outs on the river so i just called.

I think river is a call given his sizing but what should we do if he shoves?


    Poker Stars, $50 Buy-in (30/60 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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    UTG+1: 3,175 (52.9 bb)
    Hero (UTG+2): 6,301 (105 bb)
    MP1: 1,587 (26.5 bb)
    MP2: 2,460 (41 bb)
    MP3: 12,199 (203.3 bb)
    CO: 5,323 (88.7 bb)
    BTN: 2,705 (45.1 bb)
    SB: 2,835 (47.3 bb)
    BB: 3,360 (56 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K K
    UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to 180, 3 folds, CO calls 180, 3 folds

    Flop: (450) Q J 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets 225, CO calls 225

    Turn: (900) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets 450, CO raises to 1,020, Hero calls 570

    River: (2,940) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets 1,380, Hero calls 1,380




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    Old 12-08-2011, 06:39 AM   #2
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    Re: 54ko KK OOP facing turn raise

    i'd play it the same (slightly more OTF) expecting to see T9dd or identical hands that picked up Equity OTT (87cc/A7cc/etc) quite often.
    wp imo.
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    Old 12-08-2011, 06:57 AM   #3
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    Re: 54ko KK OOP facing turn raise

    b/f turn, don't see any merit in continuing really
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    Old 12-08-2011, 07:25 AM   #4
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    Quote:
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    b/f turn, don't see any merit in continuing really
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    Old 12-08-2011, 11:59 AM   #5
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    Re: 54ko KK OOP facing turn raise

    villain thinks hes good with his Q here and tries to extract some value in a weird way..
    maybe he thinks he has to protect against...something^^

    777 indeed make NO sence without the 3rd diamond i`d maybe even valuebet river (shove in this case),

    but wp imo
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    Old 12-08-2011, 12:01 PM   #6
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    Re: 54ko KK OOP facing turn raise

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    b/f turn, don't see any merit in continuing really
    this.
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    Old 12-08-2011, 02:39 PM   #7
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    Re: 54ko KK OOP facing turn raise

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    i'd play it the same (slightly more OTF) expecting to see T9dd or identical hands that picked up Equity OTT (87cc/A7cc/etc) quite often.
    wp imo.
    wait you expect to see hands that successfully got there and you want to call anyway?
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    Old 12-08-2011, 03:00 PM   #8
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    Re: 54ko KK OOP facing turn raise

    yah even a hand like 56cc got there
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    Old 12-08-2011, 06:29 PM   #9
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    Re: 54ko KK OOP facing turn raise

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    b/f turn, don't see any merit in continuing really
    This, would be more interesting/tough if you got raised OTF
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    Old 12-08-2011, 06:40 PM   #10
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    Re: 54ko KK OOP facing turn raise

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    b/f turn, don't see any merit in continuing really
    But betting more otf obv, right? (on both streets even)
    We sooner rep FD than overpair w that sizing on 2 streets.

    Ssnyc, I think Furo meant T9cc. (not T9dd) Though T9cc hasn`t picked up any equity ott.
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    Old 12-09-2011, 02:32 AM   #11
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    Re: 54ko KK OOP facing turn raise

    On this board texture I assume he will almost always raise with sets, two pair and maybe draws otf. He would likely build the pot / be scared of a ton of turn cards

    I'd insta muck if he raised turn bigger or if the board was drier. The river brings in a lot of draws but i think he bets all strong hands bigger. I didn't feel so good about calling river but his sizing pretty much compelled me bluff catch here.

    as for the turn again, assuming he is taking a weird line and not raising flop with 100% of his range then we need 23% equity to call the turn raise and i think we have more



    disregard KhTs he can't have that but still won't change the results much. Plus he will rarely have QQ+ here since he would likely 3bet that pre but I kept it in and removed AA from his range. You can tighten that range and remove all one pair hands and still we have more than the required equity

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    Old 12-09-2011, 03:17 AM   #12
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    Re: 54ko KK OOP facing turn raise

    will add I think flop and turn sizing are too small.

    277 OTF
    618 OTT
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    Re: 54ko KK OOP facing turn raise

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    wait you expect to see hands that successfully got there and you want to call anyway?
    some got there, some did not, we get a good price and our hand is somewhat underrepped.
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    will add I think flop and turn sizing are too small.

    277 OTF
    618 OTT
    yup
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