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Old 07-16-2012, 03:16 PM   #1
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$54 KO 2pair vs the dreaded turn check minraise

    Poker Stars, $50 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13536792

    MP1: 2,970 (74.3 bb)
    MP2: 3,245 (81.1 bb)
    MP3: 2,850 (71.3 bb)
    Hero (CO): 2,865 (71.6 bb)
    BTN: 3,065 (76.6 bb)
    SB: 3,015 (75.4 bb)
    BB: 2,970 (74.3 bb)
    UTG+1: 3,305 (82.6 bb)
    UTG+2: 2,775 (69.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with J A
    UTG+1 calls 40, 4 folds, Hero raises to 160, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls 120

    Flop: (380) A 5 8 (2 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 200, UTG+1 calls 200

    Turn: (780) J (2 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 400, UTG+1 raises to 840




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    Villain was 42,19
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    Old 07-16-2012, 05:22 PM   #2
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    Re: $54 KO 2pair vs the dreaded turn check minraise

    ****ty spot. 42/19 over how many hands? I guess if its pretty much readless we should fold because villain isn't going to be doing this light often enough and will pretty much always bet the river where we have to fold.
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    Old 07-16-2012, 06:58 PM   #3
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    Re: $54 KO 2pair vs the dreaded turn check minraise

    58 hands
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    Old 07-16-2012, 07:08 PM   #4
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    Re: $54 KO 2pair vs the dreaded turn check minraise

    Looks like a fold without good reads.
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    Old 07-17-2012, 12:58 AM   #5
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    Re: $54 KO 2pair vs the dreaded turn check minraise

    exploit him by folding.

    punch a wall if he does it as a bluff later in session
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    Old 07-18-2012, 09:19 PM   #6
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    Re: $54 KO 2pair vs the dreaded turn check minraise

    What about AxKh?
    Or calling the 5:1 with the intention of filling up or folding?
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    Old 07-18-2012, 09:45 PM   #7
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    Re: $54 KO 2pair vs the dreaded turn check minraise

    We arent getting 5:1 to call the turn, its more like 3.something :1. This deep I prob just let it go.
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    Old 07-19-2012, 09:45 AM   #8
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    We arent getting 5:1 to call the turn, its more like 3.something :1. This deep I prob just let it go.
    2020 pot 440 to call.
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    Old 07-19-2012, 01:49 PM   #9
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    2020 pot 440 to call.
    Sorry, bad math..lol I would call ott.
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    Old 07-19-2012, 02:27 PM   #10
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    Re: $54 KO 2pair vs the dreaded turn check minraise

    Call and do something on the river
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    Old 07-19-2012, 11:27 PM   #11
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    I would fold because if he's the type to tool out with Ax it happens on the flop way more than on the turn and 42/19 raises AJ pre. Big gaps between Vpip and Pfr are suited hands usually.

    b/f slighly larger on the turn.
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    Old 07-20-2012, 05:36 AM   #12
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    Re: $54 KO 2pair vs the dreaded turn check minraise

    250/f
    475/f
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    Old 07-20-2012, 10:51 AM   #13
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    Re: $54 KO 2pair vs the dreaded turn check minraise

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    We arent getting 5:1 to call the turn, its more like 3.something :1. This deep I prob just let it go.
    I was waiting for someone to bring up the math, let me know if I'm doing this right.
    On the turn there's 2020 in the pot and 440 for me to call --> 4.59:1
    I'm an 11.5:1 dog to hit my FH on the river.
    So not getting direct odds, but lets see if I'm getting the correct implied odds. I will assume he is shoving the river on any A or J when he has a flush.
    11.5 - 4.59 = 6.91
    6.91 x 440 = 3040.4
    So I have to make 3040.4 on the river to make my turn call worth it. (Did I do that right?)
    BUT there's only 2105 effectively left on the river so I can't call.

    The crappy part is I see him taking this same line with Kh5x, Kh8x, KhJx, KhQx, KhTx
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    Old 07-20-2012, 10:54 AM   #14
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    Re: $54 KO 2pair vs the dreaded turn check minraise

    That's if you assume 100% we need to improve to win. If you can give him Khx then we have better odds. Or Ax, crappy 2 pair, a small flush he'll fold to a 4th heart etc.
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    Old 07-20-2012, 11:10 AM   #15
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    Re: $54 KO 2pair vs the dreaded turn check minraise

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    That's if you assume 100% we need to improve to win. If you can give him Khx then we have better odds. Or Ax, crappy 2 pair, a small flush he'll fold to a 4th heart etc.
    A 4th heart would go c/c on river so he'd still win if he had a small flush. But I know what you mean, I don't know how to quantify him having a worse hand and him checking the river, other than to say we should have slightly better odds than what I gave.
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