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10-19-2013 , 06:44 PM

zanardi1

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Opener is good tagish reg running 17/15/9 in 250 hands. Flatter is 29/13/2 in 120 hands and shover is 15/11/6 in 200 hands.
Do we call or fold?

No Limit Holdem Tournament
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8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$50+$5

Stacks:
UTG (12,111) 48bb
UTG+1 (9,625) 39bb
MP1 (13,894) 56bb
Hero (MP2) (11,198) 45bb
CO (7,445) 30bb
BTN (1,812) 7bb
SB (6,768) 27bb
BB (8,988) 36bb

Blinds: 125/250 Ante 25

Pre-Flop: (575, 8 players) Hero is MP2 9

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to 500, 1 fold, Hero calls 500, CO calls 500, BTN goes all-in 1,787, 2 folds, UTG+1 goes all-in 9,600, Hero???

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10-19-2013 , 06:53 PM

Turbulenc3

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Co is essentially dead money here (widens his shoving range) and this is probably the best hand we flat in this spot (maybe TT). Gotta call it off

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10-19-2013 , 07:10 PM

L0DDENThinks

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Not incredibly happy about it but I think we have to call it off.

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10-19-2013 , 07:24 PM

Inepsyrrr

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Folding , I'd say it's close but 99 is not enough against the 4b shove range of a utg tag guy 39bb eff

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10-20-2013 , 08:04 AM

Aon1234

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Originally Posted by Inepsyrrr

Folding , I'd say it's close but 99 is not enough against the 4b shove range of a utg tag guy 39bb eff

+1.

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10-21-2013 , 01:38 PM

Yo'Maha

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Originally Posted by L0DDENThinks

Not incredibly happy about it but I think we have to call it off.

Not really happy at all. Shover's range is def. a bit of a wide-ish iso here, but 99 represents the very bottom of my calling range so I think I have to close my eyes and call. Hate this spot really though.

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10-21-2013 , 01:40 PM

WashUrHandsPlz

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we can have uncapped range pre and Id fold it too.

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10-21-2013 , 01:44 PM

cicakman

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Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz

we can have uncapped range pre and Id fold it too.

you flat 100% of hands here?

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10-21-2013 , 03:07 PM

bikram

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I'm surprised that no one has found it relevant to mention BTN ITT. Do we think he's squeezing because of the juicy pot or that he has to be very strong because he has no FE?

This is important obviously to the range we ascribe UTG+1.

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10-21-2013 , 03:19 PM

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Yo'Maha

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Originally Posted by bikram

BTN has 7bbs so his range can be fairly wide here. UTG+1 typically calls his top 10% and shoves all his typical 3betting hands to isolate IMO.

That's why I think our 99 is the very bottom of our calling range in this spot, but it's there.

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10-21-2013 , 03:23 PM

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bikram

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Originally Posted by Yo'Maha

BTN has 7bbs so his range can be fairly wide here.

So you think BTN is as wide as he would be open-jamming? Wider than a 7BB open-jam (to pick up all the dead money) or tighter than an open-jam (because no FE).

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10-21-2013 , 03:42 PM

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Turbulenc3

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Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz

we can have uncapped range pre and Id fold it too.

Perhaps a tiny percent we'll flat AA or KK

that's far from being "uncapped" though

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10-21-2013 , 03:48 PM

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bikram

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Originally Posted by Turbulenc3

Perhaps a tiny percent we'll flat AA or KK

that's far from being "uncapped" though

Yes, I agree, far more important to UTG+1 is the juicy pot.

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10-22-2013 , 02:55 AM

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JonnyVegas

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So how did the hand play out? Where do I see that at?

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10-22-2013 , 10:28 AM

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TheWesss

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Well...you have to look at utg +1 range... I dont think he'll be jamming sixes and worse than ajs. so you might be in front some times if he jams 77+. still, youre flipping or behind too often too call it off here imo.

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10-22-2013 , 10:41 AM

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AdamHendrix

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40 bb seems way to big to get in here. I don't care if we are flipping. And not much dead money with respect to pot. I'm not a math wiz but definitely can find spots better.

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10-22-2013 , 10:22 PM

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trujustrus

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cryin fold

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10-22-2013 , 11:10 PM

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slipslope

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Im fine calling here. It also seems better to hit the call button instead of the allin button.

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