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07-28-2011 , 09:36 PM

mc911

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Just need a line check post here. No reads on villains except UTG was 35/10.

Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (50/100 blinds, 10 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10101652

UTG+2: 7,471 (74.7 bb)
MP1: 9,021 (90.2 bb)
MP2: 8,804 (88 bb)
MP3: 10,526 (105.3 bb)
CO: 7,755 (77.6 bb)
BTN: 8,905 (89.1 bb)
Hero (SB): 8,345 (83.5 bb)
BB: 10,320 (103.2 bb)
UTG+1: 4,450 (44.5 bb)

Preflop: (90) Hero is SB with Q

UTG+1 calls 100, 5 folds, BTN raises to 300, Hero calls 250, BB folds, UTG+1 calls 200

Flop: (1,090) Q

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 100, BTN raises to 500, Hero calls 500, UTG+1 calls 400

Turn: (2,590) 4

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 100, BTN calls 100, Hero raises to 1,600, UTG+1 calls 1,500, BTN calls 1,500

River: (7,390) 2

(3 players)
Hero bets 5,935 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 2,040 and is all-in, BTN folds

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07-28-2011 , 11:10 PM

ssnyc

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pre is pretty bad...either 3 bet or fold depending on your read of the button and your image

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07-28-2011 , 11:58 PM

ebet33

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Seems fine to me

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07-28-2011 , 11:59 PM

ebet33

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3b Pre is prob better but flatting isn't terrible imo

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07-29-2011 , 12:27 AM

mc911

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

pre is pretty bad...either 3 bet or fold

How come flatting is terrible here?

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07-29-2011 , 12:34 AM

fivetypes

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Everything looks good. Pre and post I like, could probably just jam turn very profitably.. He probably has Q2 or A2 but gg, you played it well

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07-29-2011 , 12:36 AM

Nanu

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nh. Just ignore UTGs minbets and treat it like a check.

pre depends on isoraiser imo but flat can't be too bad against randoms in a 5c

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07-29-2011 , 02:13 AM

furo

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nh imo. flop is closer to a raise than pre but all looks good.

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07-29-2011 , 10:14 AM

ssnyc

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I am not sure why we want to flat AQ off OOP semi deep vs the isoer pre ante...

are we flatting for value because we expect to profit off his worse AX hands?

Seems the pot would be easier to play as a 3 bet especially if the dude is isoing light based on how bad the limper is

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07-29-2011 , 10:22 AM

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please 3b pre the most obv button iso ever of a weak limper.

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07-29-2011 , 10:30 AM

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furo

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

keeping the potsize manageable while dominating their ranges.
i admit it sucks beeing OOP but its not like we cant do anything postflop.
also 3b/f sucks azz.

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07-29-2011 , 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by furo

keeping the potsize manageable while dominating their ranges.
i admit it sucks beeing OOP but its not like we cant do anything postflop.
also 3b/f sucks azz.

OOP sucks...we can't extract value and have to play it weak with no initiative...

3 bet folding is fine...folding is fine...flatting just seems like we are in OMG I have AQ and have to play it thinking...

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07-29-2011 , 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by furo

keeping the potsize manageable while dominating their ranges.
i admit it sucks beeing OOP but its not like we cant do anything postflop.
also 3b/f sucks azz.

lol at 3b/f. We are 3b/5b jamming it down his throat here. I would have to have zero respect for button or know him to be the worlds biggest nit to 3b/f here.

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07-29-2011 , 10:40 AM

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furo

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

we cant extract max value but as said its not like we are totally clueless OOP and just panic once we face a cbet on Q32 with TPTK or A93cc or whatever.
yea we just c/f on T83 K93 or whatever textures 3way, so what?

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lol at 3b/f. We are 3b/5b jamming it down his throat here. I would have to have zero respect for button or know him to be the worlds biggest nit to 3b/f here.

for 80+BBs? doubt that. we dont even know BTN has the spotted the limper as donkey + OP did not give reads on the isoer.

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07-29-2011 , 10:43 AM

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do we really need a "read" to think people are isoing light otb?

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07-29-2011 , 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck

do we really need a "read" to think people are isoing light otb?

no. but for getting 80+BBs in cause i doubt 3b/5bet shows a profit.

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07-29-2011 , 11:55 AM

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i like 3b/f pre, seems way better than flatting or 3betting to 5bet. People just aren't gonna be 4betting light enough to warrant getting in 80+ here..

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07-29-2011 , 12:22 PM

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Man games have changed since BF if this is a 3b/f against any reasonable villian. I can understand wanting to avoid leveling wars this deep but if our range for 3b/not folding a button iso of a donk limper is AK/QQ+ or whatever then good players are gonna 4b us light enough where maybe we should supernit fold like sunish wants to. Now maybe none of this holds true in a 5^3 but at even slightly higher BIs I feel just fine about 3b/5b getting it in and expecting that to be profitable and certainly more profitable than 3b/f.

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07-29-2011 , 12:38 PM

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I 3 bet pre and either lead or c/r the flop. If everyone continues to stick around, I put on the breaks, TPTK isn't enough for me to want to play for stacks this deep without solid reads.

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07-29-2011 , 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Texas Chuck

You might feel it, but its not correct. You just arent getting 80bb in here profitably in general here with AQ without aggro history.

You say pre BF, I think you mean pre-moneymaker

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07-29-2011 , 01:13 PM

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Meh my line may be spewy but its got to be better than 3b/f. 3b/f seems the nut worst and I would rather do it with A4o. I would rather fold or flat than 3b/f.

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07-29-2011 , 01:14 PM

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fivetypes

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Yeah im not loving 3 bet/f either. Flat!

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07-29-2011 , 11:36 PM

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call pre is good. raising flop is a MUST. utg+1 is likely looking for cheap showdown and BTN is isoing wide pre and raising flop wide.

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