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09-25-2014 , 07:19 PM
    Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (3,200/6,400 blinds, 800 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #31018131

    BTN: 328,029 (51.3 bb)
    SB: 466,356 (72.9 bb)
    BB: 261,043 (40.8 bb)
    UTG+2: 442,183 (69.1 bb)
    Hero (MP1): 219,331 (34.3 bb)
    MP2: 138,909 (21.7 bb)
    MP3: 337,927 (52.8 bb)
    CO: 174,288 (27.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q T
    UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to 12,800, 5 folds, BB calls 6,400

    Flop: (35,200) 5 J 9 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 14,080, BB calls 14,080

    Turn: (63,360) 6 (2 players)
    BB bets 28,950, Hero calls 28,950

    River: (121,260) 9 (2 players)
    BB bets 56,400, Hero calls 56,400

    Spoiler:
    Results: 234,060 pot
    Final Board: 5 J 9 6 9
    BB showed 8 7 and lost (-113,030 net)
    Hero showed Q T and won 234,060 (121,030 net)



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    villain is playing 24/20 over 91 hands..not much info on him
    -decision is whether to raise river. I don't he has many boats in his range at all given the C/C on this wet flop
    -at the same time there's not too many hands that will call a river raise that I beat..some low flushes obv
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    09-25-2014 , 08:10 PM
    Call is fine I think. If board didn't pair OTR I'd shove.
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    09-25-2014 , 09:21 PM
    nice flop

    When V stop and go turn its really weird and not a very conventional line.. I honestly don't know what kind of hands people do this with.

    I think arguments can be made for turn raise here, it just seems to me we are missing value by not raising 3rd nuts, maybe 2.2x his bet.. when we raise turn we get him more committed for river play making it harder for him to get away if he has worse. (hes proly calls turn raise w smaller flushes and 2p, set looking to pair board otr )

    In saying that flat turn seems ok too as we in position and can induce another bet from otr where he might fold to a turn raise. Also we can minimise the pot the times he has 2p, set and board pairs otr giving him the best hand.

    I think if I had loose reads on V I would raise turn (as hes much more likely to call w worse and have more bluffs) and any other reads I would take your line.
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    09-25-2014 , 11:08 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wowsooooted
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    I think arguments can be made for turn raise here.
    Obviously calling off if he piles it ? Just to clarify ...

    I honestly have no qualms with the way the hand was played.
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    09-26-2014 , 03:09 PM
    I would raise x2 turn or more, cause he donkbetting mean, most of the time, he is afraid of your check on the turn for the flush... so he want to get money in. You could have AhQ or Ah9 or QhQ, KhK... etc, not really much flushes in your range.
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    09-26-2014 , 11:41 PM
    yea we snap call if he piles,

    Agree he could have naked Ah,Kh donk betting turn, so in that case hes calling turn raise which is good for us, if he calls turn raise would hate to see the 4th heart or board pairing otr, thats sorta why im thinking maybe a turn flat could be good in some cases against the right villians.
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    09-27-2014 , 03:11 AM
    raise or shove turn.
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    09-27-2014 , 07:24 AM
    nh I like how you played it
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    09-27-2014 , 12:41 PM
    yeah. nh. raising is thin with like 10th nuts or so
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    09-29-2014 , 01:59 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
    Call is fine I think. If board didn't pair OTR I'd shove.
    What does he lead ott that's a boat by the river?
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    09-29-2014 , 02:09 PM
    Smaller flushes, straights, maybe overconfident TPTK checked the flop and got nervous OTT, IDK.
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    10-01-2014 , 04:53 AM
    call is fine imo, although I will ship riv for value vs some people
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    10-01-2014 , 10:15 AM
    nh but jam river

    c/c + value lead from the BB usually indicates a strong made hand. call turn and let him bet for value again otr. if you raise turn you turn your hand face up.

    i'm jamming all non-heart rivers though. the 9 is a great card to jam because you can have A9 and K9 and busted Ahx hail mary bluffs in your range that may entice him to hero call at a low SPR. he can have a double gutter here otf that hits the turn and leads. he can have worse hh. he can have better hh. but he can really only have 96, J6 or 66 to improve to a FH on that river (unless he c/c's a set on a wet board then gets nervous on hhh). only hands i'd be really concerned about are Khx Ahx but there's enough in the other pile to jam imho. hope he didn't have that, but it's no reason to take less than your pound of flesh otr.
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    10-01-2014 , 03:38 PM
    I'm really really torn on the turn. The more out of line they are, the more I'm inclined to call/call, presuming they have some low equity bluffs. However, if I think they are donking turn because of a strong made hand then I think we risk losing value by not raising and potentially coolering. Think I just about prefer call/call on this specific run out though.
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