This is from a $44 6m on Bovada. No strong reads on anyone but SB, who is kind of a loose fish (and not relevant to the hand). Have not seen anyone at the table 4x open before now; most are 2x and 3x with the occasional odd amount in between.

SB 33765
BB 101086
UTG 115039
MP 64591
BT 78519 (me)

blinds 1000/2000/200

payouts
1st $1257.60
2nd $867.22
3rd $655.00
4th $445.40
5th $340.60

UTG opens to 8000
MP folds
I have AdKc

What do I do? (More specifically, what is his range for raising, his range for calling a shove, and what's my expectation in each case?)

If you don't know his range how are we supposed to? You were on the table. I would rather call than 3b/gii vs a strong range even if we would consider the spot pure cEV.

Well, that's why we estimate right? What do you think his range is to make that kind of bet? Does he do it with any hands he folds? Etc.

I'm also rusty on my ICM calculations, so I'm wondering what kind of equity I would have to have to justify a 3-bet here.

Maybe I should just work it all out myself.

I don't think he will often fold and if he does he was 4xing by mistake. Bigger bets/raises = stronger range unless proven otherwise.

You should definatly work it out yourself and just do sanity checks. The fundamentals you have to know yourself.

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I'm pretty sure villain is flexing based on stack size and number 2 stack in BB/OOP. He made his sizing a bit out of ordinary to give BB worse odds to defend and can do this with his entire range (although smells like it is rarely value).

Flatting keeps his entire range in, allows you to realize your equity and maybe get another street from all his bluffs... All while protecting your tournament life/equity. But you need to have a plan for any squeeze behind you if you take this route...

If you rip you get bluffs to fold, better hands to call (and you are flipping), and on a rare occasion you may get AQ to look you up (the only hand you are truly ahead of.

So IMO call>jam

Maybe 3b>call>jam>fold if I look at this closer, but I'm at work and away from computer

also flatting
you guys have post counts that make my eyes water

vs an 11.5% open

http://hands.holdemresources.net/?id=67iiqklgts6t

https://gyazo.com/67a7e47e93013bd73bdd14a246b1e2c6

pretty easy just call,

After doing the ICM work, in the simplest scenario (a jam is always called, and no one else enters the hand) I had to be something like 64% to break even. This confirms my suspicion that jamming would have been a poor play; I'm certainly never 64% against his calling range, and I don't think we can add enough hands in his range that open 4x then fold (possibly a medium pair) to tilt the overall equity in my favor. (And even if we can, they're balanced by the chance of one of the blinds waking up with a major hand, small as that is.)

I did in fact flat call. The flop came JT9 with two spades, he bet 12k, and I folded.

Good fold... I might consider calling here and evaluating turn depending on villain, cb%, and if we think he is capable of folding draws, under pairs, and over cards. But for sure folding is the easiest and surest way.

Well you can make sure he don't have a very strong hand , as he open 4X BB. He might have a medium pair, so AdKc is really well to make a call here. I saw a lot of very strong hand always go all in or 2X BB. so Call>Jam>Fold