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03-28-2017 , 10:10 AM
PokerStars - 250/500 Ante 50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 26.13 BB (VPIP: 27.03, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 38)
UTG+1: 27.38 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 29.41, 3Bet Preflop: 40.00, Hands: 19)
MP: 28.77 BB (VPIP: 17.46, PFR: 14.75, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 64)
MP+1: 9.09 BB
MP+2: 62.05 BB (VPIP: 38.57, PFR: 22.06, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 70)
CO: 125.48 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (BTN): 50.94 BB
SB: 49.65 BB (VPIP: 16.42, PFR: 10.77, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 67)
BB: 17.8 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has J K

fold, fold, MP raises to 2.15 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5.71 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 3.56 BB

Flop: (13.82 BB, 2 players) A 2 9
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: (13.82 BB, 2 players) 3
MP bets 3.73 BB, fold

MP wins 13.82 BB

I 3b bluff preflop, he fold 100% (3/3) small sample, but KJo is good hand for 3b bluff

what I want do postflop in this spot ? what is best plan post flop?
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03-28-2017 , 10:31 AM
Not crazy about 3betting KJ against a middle raise from a TAG villain. It's too good to turn into a bluff but also doesn't stack up great against his range. I think I'd rather call with the BTN and use position postflop and exercise pot control.

As played if you're going to 3b I think you have to bet the Ace when he checks. Otherwise you're conceding the hand because if you don't improve on the turn you'll have to fold to a bet. Not betting tells villain you don't have Ax, so he can bet his entire range on the turn. If you get x/r, you can easily toss the hand.

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03-28-2017 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
Not crazy about 3betting KJ against a middle raise from a TAG villain. It's too good to turn into a bluff but also doesn't stack up great against his range. I think I'd rather call with the BTN and use position postflop and exercise pot control.

As played if you're going to 3b I think you have to bet the Ace when he checks. Otherwise you're conceding the hand because if you don't improve on the turn you'll have to fold to a bet. Not betting tells villain you don't have Ax, so he can bet his entire range on the turn. If you get x/r, you can easily toss the hand.

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+1
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03-28-2017 , 11:33 AM
I think you are a bit too deep to be 3bet/folding this hand. Flatting is good IP here and play the hand vs TAG post flop. And I agree as played since you did 3 bet we definitely need to be betting OTF. You probably assumed that since villain has folded 3/3 times to a 3bet before that now he called and an Ace flopped then he must have an Ace? We're the ones representing a big hand, villain being a TAG could have flatted your 3 bet with QQ-KK and also with 88-JJ. I agree with Darth that as soon as we check the flop villain can bet their entire range as I think the only hand you might check back there would be AA.
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03-28-2017 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by onehandatatime
I think you are a bit too deep to be 3bet/folding this hand. Flatting is good IP here and play the hand vs TAG post flop. And I agree as played since you did 3 bet we definitely need to be betting OTF. You probably assumed that since villain has folded 3/3 times to a 3bet before that now he called and an Ace flopped then he must have an Ace? We're the ones representing a big hand, villain being a TAG could have flatted your 3 bet with QQ-KK and also with 88-JJ. I agree with Darth that as soon as we check the flop villain can bet their entire range as I think the only hand you might check back there would be AA.


I agree 98%. I may opt to check back AJ+ on this bone dry board as you'd be hard pressed to get 3 streets of value from a worse hand anyway and there are hardly any turn cards that improve your hand if it is best already...
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03-28-2017 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DutchCourage
I agree 98%. I may opt to check back AJ+ on this bone dry board as you'd be hard pressed to get 3 streets of value from a worse hand anyway and there are hardly any turn cards that improve your hand if it is best already...
Good point, however, I still like betting most of the time with air or with AJ+ when I'm the 3 bet aggressor on a Axx board to remain balanced in these spots.
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03-28-2017 , 01:38 PM
Yes maybe flatting preflop is better option.

Why when I not betting tells villain I don't have Ax, I 3b bluff preflop low Axs too. Something like A3s,A4s,A5s,.. when villian fold to 3b to much and every this low Ax I go check on flop, because I dont think, that I have 3streets vaule.

When I bet OTF and when he call me a I must bet OTT, because he dont fold on one bet pocket pairs or, weakle Ax. So I see two option give up OTF, or beting min. 2 streets.
Question is ,what is better.
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03-28-2017 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by onehandatatime
Good point, however, I still like betting most of the time with air or with AJ+ when I'm the 3 bet aggressor on a Axx board to remain balanced in these spots.


Agreed - but then again I would only 3 bet AJ/AQ against very loose openers...
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03-28-2017 , 06:27 PM
I think KJo is a reasonable hand to 3Bet bluff but not vs this opponent.

Once you get called I would be Cbetting this flop with nearly all my range. Check/giving up is too weak - don't 3Bet if you're going to play like this.

I don't think that if you Cbet this flop then you have to double barrel bluff - the board is so dry that villain is going to be playing his hand pretty face up. So if he calls your Cbet, then you can just check the turn and decide on the river depending how the runout goes.
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03-29-2017 , 07:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
Not crazy about 3betting KJ against a middle raise from a TAG villain. It's too good to turn into a bluff but also doesn't stack up great against his range. I think I'd rather call with the BTN and use position postflop and exercise pot control.

As played if you're going to 3b I think you have to bet the Ace when he checks. Otherwise you're conceding the hand because if you don't improve on the turn you'll have to fold to a bet. Not betting tells villain you don't have Ax, so he can bet his entire range on the turn. If you get x/r, you can easily toss the hand.

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+2

You're so exploitable if you play like this.
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