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Congrats on winning the ring!
I really like your line here given the fact that villain is giving live tells when has you crushed and is tight preflop so won't overcall wide or push wide to make life hell for you.

Exactly. I don't think a spot where this is an option comes around often but I now believe it was the right move. Especially seeing live players call a lot to check pots down especially when the money jump is bigger than any of there largest cashes. (Yes I googled everyone the night before)

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08-24-2013 , 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall

Well as I said I flatted the shove and the guy actually shoved!!! He looked estatic and ready for me to call. After a minute or so I decided he was in no way doing this with anything other than kings or aces which he later confirmed to me. He in fact had aces, what a set up hand. He knocked out the kid and then I went on to win pretty much every hand heads up and working him down to about 400k. He raises to 60k I shove k6 hh he snap calls with ace 5 and river the most beautiful 6 I have ever seen. I had to post this hand because I dont know why I even considered flatting here when i would never even consider it in any other spot but it just seemed like the right move. Results oriented or not I now have a circuit ring which was one of my goals in life so now I guess the next question is, right move for this circumstance or results oriented? Remeber also i considered myself to have a significant edge vs this guy and had a workable stack even after folding and obviously I was right considering I never really got dealt a hand vs him or went to showdown much.

Cliffs
ship the ring

Nice win, but just wondering, why would he have to confirm he had AA? if the button was all in and he reshoved wouldn't the cards get tabled face up which is standard in every tourn??

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08-24-2013 , 03:53 PM

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Yo'Maha

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Winning the hand would be pretty good confirmation no?...

Nice win OP.

I am 100% sure I would have ISO-shoved in that spot and taken 2nd place......

Or I would have called his shove and taken 2nd place....

so way to stick with your read and take it down. Congrats.

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08-24-2013 , 04:56 PM

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iSplashRollz

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Originally Posted by Yo'Maha

so way to stick with your read and take it down. Congrats.

Yes, but the way it was worded.. he said " he later confirmed he had AA" Wouldn't he know in the actual hand, when they were flipped up?
I would have shoved also for the record.

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08-24-2013 , 05:04 PM

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I said he confirmed he would only shove with kk or aa, I just suck at putting things into words

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08-24-2013 , 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by iSplashRollz

Yes, but the way it was worded.. he said " he later confirmed he had AA" Wouldn't he know in the actual hand, when they were flipped up?
I would have shoved also for the record.

The short stack was allin, so the old guy showed AA. The old guy confirmed he would only push with AA/KK.

I think isopush is somewhat better than call/fold, despite results.

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08-24-2013 , 05:08 PM

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I decided he was in no way doing this with anything other than kings or aces which he later confirmed to me. He in fact had aces, what a set up hand.

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08-24-2013 , 05:09 PM

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Shove but depending on the old guy he might be like omgz he went all in with JJ and when you get heads up he might call your Allins lighter so beware.

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08-24-2013 , 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall

Been playing 3 handed for almost 2 hours

if you're there for 2 hours, the probability of everyone picking up a hand simultaneously goes up I guess

iso-shoving is standard in this spot, but you've picked the right time and the right opponent to make an exception. nh wp.

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08-24-2013 , 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by betgo

The short stack was allin, so the old guy showed AA. The old guy confirmed he would only push with AA/KK.

I think isopush is somewhat better than call/fold, despite results.

Stealthmunk was right

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08-25-2013 , 11:52 AM

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You realize he gets AA/KK less than 1% of the time and that after calling initially you are almost getting odds to call the push if he turned AA face up? Also, kind of a disaster if you flat and fold and old guy turns over AK. The main decision whether to shove or call is whether you want to let him overcall 99-QQ, AQ.

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08-25-2013 , 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by betgo

Sigh

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08-28-2013 , 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall

I said he confirmed he would only shove with kk or aa, I just suck at putting things into words

Ahhh that makes sense, again nice win.. I play at Foxwoods alot

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08-28-2013 , 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by betgo

I think isopush is somewhat better than call/fold, despite results.

Good thing I don't employ strategy of failed micro coaches. When I made this thread I legitimately wanted opinions to decide if it in any way could be correct. I now 100% believe It was an option and this guys blind black and white approach single handedly brought me to that conclusion. As far as being results oriented, I'd rather risk 12 big blinds in a spot where I'm 100% sure I have the best hand than blindly shove 40 blinds in like a robot against an opponent I feel I have a huge advantage and still have 30 big blinds or more to work with. Good thing it was that 1% of the time he has aces

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08-29-2013 , 11:21 AM

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Yeah I think I reshove is best here because older man isn't calling without much. If he does, then oh well. GG. On the flip side, I don't see flatting as a bad play and just playing it passively. Your image becomes more deceptive once you get to heads up if you check down jacks whether you win or lose.

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08-29-2013 , 02:54 PM

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But if he's never calling without aa or kk what is the point of shoving. Live players love to call and check it down with someone on the verge of elimination especially with a 4k pay Jump.

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08-29-2013 , 10:47 PM

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Actually, thinking about it, I think this is well played. Probably a fold to push, but close, because you don't know ahead of time he only pushes AA/KK 3-handed and you are getting like 2.7-1.

If you push, he may call JJ+/AK, not KK+ (he has you covered). Maybe better to let him call and try to bust the short stack.

Kind of result-oriented that you won the tournament though. Could have gone the other way and cost you the tournament. Close decisions both times.

Didn't mean to rain on your parade. I will ignore your comments and keep the discussion to the hand.

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08-30-2013 , 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by betgo

The point everyone is missing is, I would flat here with aces hoping to induce a call or shove from the bb. Why would I shove any hand then ?

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08-30-2013 , 11:07 AM

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One point to consider that I haven't seen brought up, is that given description of the guy who reshipped, shouldn't we have a massive edge heads up since he will undoubtedly be folding way too often? Given this, and since we are a flip at BEST, shouldn't this become a snap fold?

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08-30-2013 , 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall

The point everyone is missing is, I would flat here with aces hoping to induce a call or shove from the bb. Why would I shove any hand then ?

because you get to consider the times he folds better and you get heads up against the shorty.

It's very possible if the villain never calls a jam with < KK and never jams < KK over a call then call fold is better than jamming. But you have to factor in the equity you have against the range he overcalls with that he folds to a jam

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08-30-2013 , 11:49 AM

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The point everyone is missing is, I would flat here with aces hoping to induce a call or shove from the bb. Why would I shove any hand then ?

Don't see how this follows. Don't push because he should know you don't have AA? I think isopush is definitely better than flat with AK.

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08-30-2013 , 02:03 PM

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Exactly my reasoning for how I played it.

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09-02-2013 , 03:17 PM

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Lol nice brag post op

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09-02-2013 , 07:26 PM

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How did this thread get 4 pages of discussion? Easiest play ever. Im all in with JJ aka the nuts 3 handed in this situation. gtfo old man, no need to call and be at the mercy of the old mans image..

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09-03-2013 , 01:18 PM

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Lol nice brag post op

Great post.

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