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08-30-2014 , 09:15 PM

ThePokerBot

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PokerStars - $30+$3|150/300 Ante 40 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 4,768 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (BTN): 3,550
SB: 5,726 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 915 (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
UTG: 14,425 (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 19)
UTG+1: 3,665 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 5,755 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
MP+1: 9,153 (VPIP: 16.98, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
MP+2: 5,814 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 8)

9 players post ante of 40, SB posts SB 150, BB posts BB 300

Pre Flop: (pot: 810) Hero has 6

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3,510 and is all-in, SB raises to 5,686 and is all-in, fold

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08-31-2014 , 02:00 AM

betgo

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No, bad shove. People call too light these days.

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08-31-2014 , 04:33 AM

Puzo

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Not ok.

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08-31-2014 , 07:38 AM

my_couch_pulls_out

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this one is ambitious

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08-31-2014 , 08:03 AM

rabbhit

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Just fold.

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08-31-2014 , 10:35 PM

KevinGChapman

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Agree, but here's the thought. This seems like middle of this tourney based on blinds. No info about where bubble sits, but lots of stacks at this table bigger than you. The button shove here screams out small pp or Ax or total air bluff, so big stack in SB is happy to call with A8+, KT+, QT+, QJ, or 22+. Looking to chip up at expense of weak shove. Never jam with air here -- way too much chance that you'll get a call.

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09-01-2014 , 12:07 AM

jimbobwe00

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mehhhhh my gut says go with 76o, go with 64s, just muck this one

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09-01-2014 , 12:38 AM

Puzo

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Originally Posted by KevinGChapman

What is "air" here in your opinion, cause we should jam like ~ top 70% here?

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09-01-2014 , 12:42 AM

jimbobwe00

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puzo, curious what the worst 6x you rip here is?

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09-01-2014 , 12:58 AM

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Puzo

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Originally Posted by jimbobwe00

puzo, curious what the worst 6x you rip here is?

65o is close. Other than that, there is no 6x offsuit which I would rip.

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09-01-2014 , 11:07 AM

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spand42

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This is just way too loose especially as we don't have much fold equity vs BB.

My shoving range is a bit tighter than it might otherwise be for this reason, particularly with an emphasis on folding low cards that don't play well against a range that will only be slightly better than random.

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09-01-2014 , 09:12 PM

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KevinGChapman

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Originally Posted by Puzo

What is "air" here in your opinion, cause we should jam like ~ top 70% here?

If I'm villain here (so, when you're up against me at a live table, you can know this), I'm defining "air" as no pair, no Ace, no suited connectors, no broadway. Cards that I would instafold oop 100% of the time.

I defined below what I would call with. Disagree?

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09-02-2014 , 12:33 AM

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Dragons_Egg

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Fold. I wouldn't open-shove this from the SB when BvB, and this spot is essentially that.

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Originally Posted by Puzo

65o is close. Other than that, there is no 6x offsuit which I would rip.

A6o and K6o should be rips imo.

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09-02-2014 , 01:34 AM

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jimbobwe00

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Originally Posted by Dragons_Egg

A6o and K6o should be rips imo.

i think we all agree on that, i believe he meant 6x as in a 6 with a lower card

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09-02-2014 , 04:14 AM

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Neptune04

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With BB sitting out it seems like the spot is pretty much equivalent of shoving bvb for 12bbs here. Would you do that with 63o?

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09-02-2014 , 05:59 AM

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Puzo

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Originally Posted by Dragons_Egg

Fold. I wouldn't open-shove this from the SB when BvB, and this spot is essentially that.

A6o and K6o should be rips imo.

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Originally Posted by jimbobwe00

i think we all agree on that, i believe he meant 6x as in a 6 with a lower card

Yeah, A6 and K6 are Ax and Kx in my mind.

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09-03-2014 , 10:30 AM

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ricky bobby

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fold is best

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