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Old 08-05-2012, 05:00 PM   #1
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30$ AA linecheck against good reg

Hi,
that's pokerstars.fr, deepstack structure weekly 30e.
don't have lots of reads (I only have 5 hands on vilain) but I have him marked good reg, plays higher ABI than me.
He sees me random I guess.

didn't really like my line afterwards, can someone correct plz? could turn be a check raise?a c/f against very good players? was a bit lost in this one.

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    Poker Stars, $27 Buy-in (3,500/7,000 blinds, 875 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13670572

    MP2: 87,994 (12.6 bb)
    MP3: 107,873 (15.4 bb)
    CO: 405,328 (57.9 bb)
    BTN: 680,838 (97.3 bb)
    SB: 355,415 (50.8 bb)
    BB: 127,279 (18.2 bb)
    UTG+2: 239,324 (34.2 bb)
    Hero (MP1): 379,706 (54.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A A
    UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to 15,400, 3 folds, BTN calls 15,400, 2 folds

    Flop: (48,300) K 4 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets 21,735, BTN calls 21,735

    Turn: (91,770) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets 39,595, BTN calls 39,595

    River: (170,960) 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets 39,999, BTN raises to 117,444, Hero folds

    Results: 250,958 pot
    Final Board: K 4 5 9 8
    BTN mucked and won 250,958 (133,354 net)
    Hero mucked A A and lost (-117,604 net)



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    Old 08-05-2012, 05:08 PM   #2
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    Re: 30$ AA linecheck against good reg

    Why is it when you have an ace and another ace you choose a sizing that means we can't get stacks in on 3 streets?
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    Old 08-05-2012, 05:12 PM   #3
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    Re: 30$ AA linecheck against good reg

    Flop bet: 29K
    Turn bet: 47K
    River: ...

    crying c/c or c/f (depends on sizing): flush hits, 67, sets and some connectors... I would flip a coin

    Rarely should c/r turn cuz there are many hands that are drawing and check back?
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    Old 08-05-2012, 05:19 PM   #4
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    Re: 30$ AA linecheck against good reg

    His sizing otr seems pretty valueish but your small bet could have induced him to turn a pair into a bluff. Against a good player who is capable of doing this its an easy call with those odds you get.
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    Old 08-06-2012, 06:16 AM   #5
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    Re: 30$ AA linecheck against good reg

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    Why is it when you have an ace and another ace you choose a sizing that means we can't get stacks in on 3 streets?
    who says we cant get stacks in with OPs sizing?
    we are inducing a bluffraise/semibluffraise on K54
    i'd go slightly larger OTT, like 55% pot, or check/r it to let him bet his floats or vbet his worse made hands.
    as played folding river and feeling stupid.
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    Old 08-06-2012, 06:48 AM   #6
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    pretty much ...
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    Old 08-06-2012, 07:11 AM   #7
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    Re: 30$ AA linecheck against good reg

    I'd call river. Our hand looks so weak.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 07:13 AM   #8
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    Re: 30$ AA linecheck against good reg

    2.15ish raise pre fairly standard but i tend to raise bigger (regardless of position and regardless of hand) maybe 17,000-17,500
    and id bet more than 50% of pot on flop
    if the K wasn't a heart and the 4 was a heart i might check the turn but on this board i think i am firing turn 75% of the time, pot controlling/inducing bluff 25% of the time, especially if i am currently seen as a one barrel player, and check calling the river at least 50% of the time.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 07:57 AM   #9
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    Re: 30$ AA linecheck against good reg

    I'd go 55k on turn and c/c river...
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    Old 08-08-2012, 08:12 AM   #10
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    Re: 30$ AA linecheck against good reg

    I would size is for a rivershove.
    As played I Think C/C is the nut worst option OTR. All draws got there and its a nasty board to valuebet anything we beat. Id be more inclined to C/F
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    Old 08-09-2012, 04:44 AM   #11
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    Re: 30$ AA linecheck against good reg

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    Old 08-09-2012, 04:16 PM   #12
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    Re: 30$ AA linecheck against good reg

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    I'd go 55k on turn and c/c river...
    pretty sure, c/f is better than c/c on the river.

    Edit: Actually, I'm 100% sure.
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    Old 08-09-2012, 10:14 PM   #13
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    Re: 30$ AA linecheck against good reg

    more on turn, more on river. i'm really tempted to call now because our river bet just screams "please just call..."

    check/call river is not good.
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    Old 08-10-2012, 02:35 PM   #14
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    Re: 30$ AA linecheck against good reg

    i check shove turn based on stack sizes.. ppl love to bet big draws deep on the turn these days i reckon...
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    Old 08-10-2012, 03:12 PM   #15
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    Re: 30$ AA linecheck against good reg

    I think sizing is fine.

    You have him marked as a good player, a good player shouldnt be calling flush draws on the turn (unless he thinks he is going to get your whole stack on the river) so when some mentioned the x/r on the turn i like this idea.

    When he gets to the river he is going to have Kx hands along with those A high flush draws but we cant get any value from them if we bet.

    On the river, i think you should check fold. When you check the river he wont be value betting pairs of Ks (he should check them back), has no bluff combos and will be value betting flushes only. This allows you to play perfectly.
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