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3-way pot, out of position, 17+ outs 3-way pot, out of position, 17+ outs

05-24-2017 , 11:56 AM
$235 live MTT @ Canterbury Park

Level: 200/400
Hero (SB) ~ 17,000
Button ~ 7,000
BB ~ 10,000

Folds to button who raises to 1,000
Hero calls with 910
BB calls

Flop: 748x

Hero, BB check
Button bets 2,500
Hero raises 5,300

Thoughts on C/R line here? Should I be leading this flop?
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05-24-2017 , 01:42 PM
i would lead. i know most 'pundits' sneer at leading from the SB, but in this case, with so many nice turn cards possible for you, i wouldn't chance that the button is one of those players that, when their big cards miss, they check down... there are many 'scare' turn cards here that would cause the others betting to shutdown..
check raise is not horrible, but again, can you count on button continuing with AK, AQ, AJ, etc on this flop? you haven't given any info on what you think of that player and what he might do
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05-24-2017 , 01:42 PM
Standard. Although, you should be c/shoving considering the stack sizes. There might also be merit to shoving pre if BTN is opening too much.
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05-24-2017 , 02:10 PM
check/shove given stacks
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05-24-2017 , 03:07 PM
Calling flop is ok but we have to be aware that we're creating a fairly small SPR by doing so, assuming BB simply checks behind most of the time.

As played given button's lead and stack sizes I think check/shove is really the only play that makes sense.
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05-24-2017 , 05:50 PM
I like the check/shove here.
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05-26-2017 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jpgiro
Calling flop is ok but we have to be aware that we're creating a fairly small SPR by doing so, assuming BB simply checks behind most of the time.
I am not familiar with SPR stands for...can you explain?
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05-26-2017 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Although, you should be c/shoving considering the stack sizes.
Let me clarify, I am trying to get as many of my opponents chips in the middle as possible on the flop. He folded to my C/R so my question is do we have a better chance of getting him to commit all of his chips if we lead (~1,500) and give him a chance to shove and try to get us to fold?

Is there a different line that we can take to expect to get him to commit more chips?
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05-26-2017 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ImaLouigi
I am not familiar with SPR stands for...can you explain?
SPR = stack-to-pot ratio, which is simply the size of our stack in relation to the pot. So if we have 10000 in our stack and the pot is 2000 when we go to the flop, our SPR is 5.

There's a lot of good resources on SPR on google, but the general idea is that the smaller our stack-to-pot ratio is on the flop, the more committed we are to going with our hand. When your SPR is less than 3, very often top pair is good enough to get it in.

In this particular situation, by calling preflop we are likely creating creating a pot of 3K assuming the BB is always going to just complete. That gives the button a stack-to-pot ratio of ~2 (6K in their stack/3K in the pot) and the BB is a stack-to-pot ratio of ~3 (9K in their stack/3K in the pot).

Last edited by jpgiro; 05-26-2017 at 12:34 PM.
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05-26-2017 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ImaLouigi
Let me clarify, I am trying to get as many of my opponents chips in the middle as possible on the flop. He folded to my C/R so my question is do we have a better chance of getting him to commit all of his chips if we lead (~1,500) and give him a chance to shove and try to get us to fold?

Is there a different line that we can take to expect to get him to commit more chips?
If the button led for over a third of their stack and then folded to what was effectively a min-raise, I'm not sure what else you could've done there to get value from this particular individual. They certainly didn't have top pair or an overpair, or even a good draw, because I can't imagine those hands folding.
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05-26-2017 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ImaLouigi
Let me clarify, I am trying to get as many of my opponents chips in the middle as possible on the flop. He folded to my C/R so my question is do we have a better chance of getting him to commit all of his chips if we lead (~1,500) and give him a chance to shove and try to get us to fold?

Is there a different line that we can take to expect to get him to commit more chips?
If he has nothing, he has nothing. With checking and allowing him to c-bet, you got the most you can. If he has nothing and you lead, he is folding. If he has something, with hm being pot committed, it doesn't matter.
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