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27ko non-turbo. 66 against 3bet shove. ICM-fold ?

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09-04-2013 , 07:43 PM

leadership

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Final table 27ko. Would this be an icm fold ? or call ?

PokerStars - $20+$5+$2|400/800 Ante 75 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 13,944 (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 23)
CO: 30,746 (VPIP: 27.13, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.26, Hands: 129)
BTN: 9,433 (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
SB: 26,403 (VPIP: 18.37, PFR: 19.15, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 51)
BB: 45,762 (VPIP: 17.57, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 74)
Hero (UTG): 26,072
UTG+1: 25,100 (VPIP: 13.43, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 4.62, Hands: 135)
MP: 11,540 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 10)

8 players post ante of 75, SB posts SB 400, BB posts BB 800

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,800) Hero has 6

Hero raises to 2,000, fold, MP raises to 11,465 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero ??? its like 9k more to call

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09-04-2013 , 08:16 PM

zanardi1

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Depending on the table wether I open pre or not, but I just make it smaller if I was opening.
Guess I fold now.

Last edited by zanardi1; 09-04-2013 at 08:18 PM. Reason: Missread stack sizes

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09-05-2013 , 02:27 AM

shichibukai

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pretty easy fold utg vs mp

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09-05-2013 , 05:16 AM

mashxx

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I'd fold pre on this table, too many reshovable stacks, our stacks is too awkward, we're not doing great probably even if btn shoves, bb has too easy opportunity to put pressure

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09-05-2013 , 07:39 AM

leadership

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thanks guys. appreciating.

that was also my conclusion after the session, just wanted to confirm

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09-05-2013 , 07:41 AM

MasterJ009

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Like a fold pre more then raise/folding utg vs a 11.5BB shove

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09-05-2013 , 07:50 AM

mashxx

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I (probably like most itt) assumed blinds are 500/1000 based on the open size, I like the minraise at 400/800 then.

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09-05-2013 , 11:59 AM

WashUrHandsPlz

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agree with consensus.
misplayed hand.

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09-06-2013 , 06:21 PM

L0DDENThinks

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mashxx

I'd fold pre on this table, too many reshovable stacks, our stacks is too awkward, we're not doing great probably even if btn shoves, bb has too easy opportunity to put pressure

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09-06-2013 , 08:43 PM

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Paklu

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To bet-fold pre we need blockers. We can bet here at least 15% of the time assuming ppl don't flat, but still only 88/99+ pairs.

If we bet 66 the idea should be to bet-call many of the players behind.

As played its actually quite close. We get 35-38% vs. villains range and our stacksize plays bad as it is. Flipping here gets us to good "owning stack" or good "folding stack"
and that might be worth the ICM EV loss(0.21% of prizepool vs. optimal range).

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09-06-2013 , 10:44 PM

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V-Delaney

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r/f is good

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09-07-2013 , 01:43 AM

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betgo

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Open is probably a mistake, and sizing is also a mistake at this stage.

As played, it may be a call of the push getting close to 1.7-1.

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09-07-2013 , 05:36 AM

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Jankis006

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mr and call button reshove, fold to rest

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09-07-2013 , 10:39 AM

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furo

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std mr/c unless he is a nit

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09-07-2013 , 01:00 PM

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betgo

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Mr is better here due to stage of tournament, stacks behind, and your hand.

Think open fold is a little better though, as reshove stacks, no blockers, and hand plays poorly postflop.

As played, call shove.

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