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10-01-2013 , 09:12 AM

Kapitonas

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All 3 villains dont seem to be good. CL has called all ins to light few times, other 2 were too tight. It was like 3rd hand 4-handed.

I decided to 2x pre instead of all in, because opponents are not pushing wide there as they should.
I think opponents play here really straightforward and tight (folding Ax an so on).
Still undecided whats the best line here? All in sucks ( because I achieve the same with small bet), checking sucks too because it rarely hits their range. I m leaning towards b smallish/fold to CL, call shorty.
Thoughts?

Poker Stars, $24.50 Buy-in (12,500/25,000 blinds, 5,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19741621

Hero (CO): 321,208 (12.8 bb)
BTN: 276,220 (11 bb)
SB: 703,751 (28.2 bb)
BB: 177,821 (7.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7

Hero raises to 50,000, BTN folds, SB calls 37,500, BB calls 25,000

Flop: (170,000) 5

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero ???

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10-01-2013 , 09:26 AM

furo

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Jam pre
Jam flop now, not a fan of any other option. Yes it looks bluffy but they won't call with two high cards often enough to worry.

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10-01-2013 , 09:30 AM

betgo

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I would fold pre. There are ICM issues and we are UTG/CO. Hand is hard to play post, and not a good candidate to miniraise with a very short stack.

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10-01-2013 , 09:41 AM

Kapitonas

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Why jam pre is better than minraise? BTN should be pretty tight, because of shorty. CL doesnt seem to care that I m ICM aware here, and doubt it makes difference for BB, cause he has no fold equity either way.

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10-01-2013 , 10:10 AM

Economos

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Minraise pre is terrible because sb and bb will peel so often to check / jam any pair. Ship pre to pick up the blinds and avoid bad spots post.

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10-01-2013 , 11:15 AM

betgo

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Think fold pre is best. You can find spots to push in later position. Hand is only a little better than average and I would play a little tighter with the ICM issues at this stage.

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10-01-2013 , 11:42 AM

WashUrHandsPlz

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shove pre
/thread

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10-01-2013 , 11:50 AM

dereds

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now you're here 50k call the BB possibly fold to the SB

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10-01-2013 , 11:55 AM

bikram

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I would shove pre. I would only take ICM into account if the BB is like a 5 BB stack. The shortest stack still has more than half of our chips, so we can't just assume that there's a very high chance that the 7BB stack will blind off before us. One double up against the big stack, and we're close to the shortest stack.

Also, please tend to always cite ICM as a reason for playing tighter than they normally would. But here one could use ICM as a reason to play more aggressively because BTN and BB will be hesitant to call off their stacks.

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10-01-2013 , 12:26 PM

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Economos

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^
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10-02-2013 , 08:01 AM

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Rowniwn

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good minraise pre. probably checking back the flop and betting heaps of turns. not only wont they stab a bunch of turns with air if they are tight, but we have a decent amount of good turn cards too (4,8,club)

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10-02-2013 , 03:48 PM

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Economos

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Originally Posted by Rowniwn

Can't tell if srs or troll...

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10-02-2013 , 05:54 PM

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shichibukai

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fold pre
again... we dont know if they know the icm theory

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10-02-2013 , 06:21 PM

#14

Xamb2000

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I like fold pre. In this situation I check and fold for any bet except if I find a straight in turn.

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10-02-2013 , 06:29 PM

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bikram

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Originally Posted by shichibukai

fold pre
again... we dont know if they know the icm theory

They might not be experts in ICM theory but this is the late stage of a mid-stakes online tournament and I would think that the short stacks (P.S. described as tight) know enough that it is better for them to open all-in with KT and A4o, then it is to call our shove with it.

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10-02-2013 , 06:59 PM

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shichibukai

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Originally Posted by bikram

CL has called all ins to light few times, other 2 were too tight.

if the bb has something like 10bb im r/f in this spot

with the info im open folding

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10-02-2013 , 07:28 PM

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MeowImQh

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fold pre yes, its a snap shove on the button

you must have a good reason to min raise before u do > ur image and how your opponents play

as played 69k/f flop and feel fine about it

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10-02-2013 , 07:40 PM

#18

betgo

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Yeh, I think this is too wide UTG, and they may not adjust fully for position and ICM.

Want a reason to minraise as far as opponents and image, but also need a more playable hand like 97s or something. A high card and low card is not good to see a flop with.

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10-03-2013 , 02:18 AM

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dereds

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Originally Posted by MeowImQh

as played 69k/f flop and feel fine about it

You know the BB has 127k behind?

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10-03-2013 , 02:46 AM

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isuxatpokerbad

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Originally Posted by dereds

You know the BB has 127k behind?

there's no shot of this.

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10-03-2013 , 02:52 AM

#21

jjyykk

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Nits itt. Rown saves the day

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10-03-2013 , 02:57 AM

#22

WashUrHandsPlz

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post payouts.

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10-03-2013 , 08:38 AM

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Kapitonas

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I have reshoved once BB when he 3x form the button with 12bb, he folded. And shoved bvb vs BTN couple times in FT. No flops seen.
Payouts:
1st 2318
2nd 1721
3rd 1268
4th 966

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10-03-2013 , 08:48 AM

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WashUrHandsPlz

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not at home, Nash it.
pretty sure K7s is in our shoving range.

Marc is very special player from what Ive seen, but dont think its good spot/good hand to min with that stacks behind.

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10-03-2013 , 08:54 AM

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bikram

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Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz

not at home, Nash it.
pretty sure K7s is in our shoving range.

Marc is very special player from what Ive seen, but dont think its good spot/good hand to min with that stacks behind.

sounds more like an sngwizard exercise than a nash exercise.

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