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5 Rio Deepstack - Give up on river or would you consider a raise? 5 Rio Deepstack - Give up on river or would you consider a raise?

06-01-2017 , 07:41 AM
Hero - Mid 20s Asian + Backwards Red Angels Cap. Haven't gotten out of line this far, but I haven't also played many hands.

V1 - Mid/Late 30s European. I had no reads on him or the table to this point minus the fact he likes to open limp a good bit.

V2 - Mid 40s Hispanic Male. No reads.

V3 - Mid 50s Asian Male. No reads. Likes to talk.

Stack Sizes - Me - ~14.5k V1 - ~14k V2 - ~10k V3 - ~10k

9 Handed. Blinds 50/100. I'm in CO. Action folds to V1(UTG+1) who open limps 100. Folds to me. I raise to 350 with 97hh. V2 (SB) calls, V3 (BB) calls, and V1 calls.

(Pot 1400) Flop comes 5d8dQh

It checks to me, and I bet 700. SB/BB fold. V1 calls.

(Pot 2800) Turn 10h

He checks, I bed 1300. V1 check raises to 3000. I call.

(Pot 8800) River As

He tanks, then leads for 2k. With 9 high, this is clearly raise or fold, but is there any merit in raising? My thinking is that with a raise to 5500 on the river, I represent a set of aces, AQ, QT, 55 (Maybe since 55 would probably limp behind a lot), 88, QQ. The 10h on the turn is a great card to check raise because it makes the board that much more draw-heavy, as he can have a hand like 98hh, or other heart combos.

My downside to this river raise is that I have most of the draw combos, and I don't really block anything that would be betting the river for value. I think QTs shows up a lot here. 55/88 could be there. I don't see many bluffs, but the 2k bet seemed pretty weak on the river, and I didn't know how to read into it at the time.

Also, anything else you think I could've done differently? Check back the turn? 3b jam the turn?

Spoiler:
Hero tank/folds, V1 proceeds to spew off his stack before the break
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06-01-2017 , 10:01 AM
I think something with a J is the combo you want to use to bluff river here. Probably QJ.
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06-01-2017 , 11:15 AM
Make it 4x pre, you're still 100bb deep vs all table.
x/fold flop vs 3 people.
vs 1 caller pre a bet is mandatory. vs 2 callers it is an option. vs 3 I think the likelyhood of gettin everybody to fold is too slim and I'd just x and enjoy a free turn.

as played I like bet turn and sizing and given his raise size I'd shrug call ( gives you almost direct odds to your draw)
River easy fold, you don't really have to make something out of all your missed draws.
You'll have better blockers to bluff with and plenty of value hands to call the small river bet or to raise yourself
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06-01-2017 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Fenryr
Make it 4x pre, you're still 100bb deep vs all table.
x/fold flop vs 3 people.
vs 1 caller pre a bet is mandatory. vs 2 callers it is an option. vs 3 I think the likelyhood of gettin everybody to fold is too slim and I'd just x and enjoy a free turn.

as played I like bet turn and sizing and given his raise size I'd shrug call ( gives you almost direct odds to your draw)
River easy fold, you don't really have to make something out of all your missed draws.
You'll have better blockers to bluff with and plenty of value hands to call the small river bet or to raise yourself
I was wondering why you were telling me to c/f the flop. I am an idiot. It was a long night. I had 79dd. I flopped a flush/gutter and turned an open ender. But anyways, that shouldn't affect anything other than the flop.
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06-01-2017 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
I think something with a J is the combo you want to use to bluff river here. Probably QJ.
Noted. I can see that. Thanks.
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06-01-2017 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by iFoldedKKPreOnce
I was wondering why you were telling me to c/f the flop. I am an idiot. It was a long night. I had 79dd. I flopped a flush/gutter and turned an open ender. But anyways, that shouldn't affect anything other than the flop.
It's checked to you in last position so you couldn't c/f anyways. Regardless, if you were in a situation to fold 9H7h, folding a gutter to the nuts + BDFD on this flop this deep would be pretty bad (for one bet). I think you played the hand fine.
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06-02-2017 , 11:23 AM
Folding river is fine as played. I would probably use something with a J to bluff this river. His line looks really strong for a live player so I really don't think you are getting him to fold much with a jam
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06-02-2017 , 11:31 PM
Bet bigger on every street IMO. Definitely bigger on the turn. Pre 400-500. As played, fold to river bet. You do have KJ in your range. Doubt he'll fold 2pair+ though.
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06-03-2017 , 07:56 AM
would check flop, as played bigger ott, fold otr, don't think piling is terrible tho.
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