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06-23-2012, 12:09 PM
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#121
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newbie
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 49
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Re: $22r, 98s, awkward steal spot
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Originally Posted by PageUp
Pad and Trolo are funny. I enjoy people that think MTTs are different from cash game for reasons that have nothing to do w/ ICM and more or less amount to suggesting magic is responsible. Guess what guys, you aren't the first people in this forum ever. You're talking about ideas that were discussed for years. Go do some research.
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Originally Posted by PageUp
Pad, is there any way you can assume I made a cutting but insightful post explaining why I'm much smarter than you? I won't lie, I rather enjoy writing them, but my time is a bit short today, I've had to use a lot of my best material lately, and you haven't antagonized me quite enough for me to bother. So for now I'll just pretend to respect the things you say and ask sarcastic questions.
Can you tell me about any of the tools you've thrown away?
Can you tell me about any of the conversations?
If you've read the conversations and understood them, can you phrase your ideas in such a way that you engage with them, rather than simply appearing to be ignorant fish with illogical ideas they can't back up?
You know that money you're always taking from me? Can I have some of it back?
Can you explain the proper use of ellipses? No? Can you look it up? I dare you.
Want to know my main problem with "passing on edges" and "looking for a better spot?" No? Well I don't care what you want. My main problem is that, when you pass, you just make someone else's strategy more profitable while making your own slightly less. The more thin edges you pass on the more profitable it becomes for people to pressure you in marginal spots. For example, if hero was BB in this spot, and folded some of the more marginal hands he should be calling, it makes shoving 98s all the more profitable. I intend to be the person making others pass on thin edges, and not the one passing on them.
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OK, my final post on this thread, if you want to reply you can have the last word .. I imagine that will be the case ... I'm done with it. However good a poker player you are you are a condescending poster and I'm not going to waste any more energy. I've read these forums for years without posting because of exactly this kind of stuff. Somebody comes on and posts views and the forum regs laugh at them and drive them away. It is boring and a bit embarassing to read (seriously read back that last post and tell me hand on heart you are not embarassed at how you come across in it -ever thought about riding school buses with like minded people lol. I've quoted your first post on the thread above. You really should stick to poker as this stuff just derailed any poker discussion.
I spend about 30 hours a week playing MTTS, more than some, not as many as others. But enough to form a view, which I'll stand by. In the mid-late stages of MTTs, far too many players risk large parts of their stacks looking for these small edges. Its the fashion. People are told they have to be agrressive (which is right but not in tof his instance shoving a top 25% hand for 20% a stack against a good villain) and I'm well aware that the popularly held view is that 1 or 2 BB edges must be taken. But I just don't buy into it. You make 20 plays like this in a single MTT and win 20 big blinds. My premise is that that won't win you an MTT but the handful of times you lose 20% of your chips can lose you it. I'm pretty confident I am in a minority and this thread confirms it. But don't mistake being in a majority as being right. If you are a good player you will play another 20 hands with much bigger edges than 1 BB. I'm saving my chips for those hands.
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06-23-2012, 12:21 PM
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#122
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deviation of equilibrium
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Germany
Posts: 27,373
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Re: $22r, 98s, awkward steal spot
god this is still going...
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06-23-2012, 12:22 PM
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#123
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banned
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: uncapped, every street
Posts: 2,887
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Re: $22r, 98s, awkward steal spot
Well padstoodup you're probably correct in the 10 cent 360 mansion you're used to.
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06-23-2012, 12:23 PM
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#124
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 5,043
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Re: $22r, 98s, awkward steal spot
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Originally Posted by timetowom
Well padstoodup you're probably correct in the 10 cent 360 mansion you're used to.
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LETS BAN CICAK again!!!!!! VAmoooooo!!!!!!!
He`s talking a lot, saying nothing.... is it a pub here?
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06-23-2012, 01:41 PM
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#125
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: near your blinds
Posts: 9,407
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Re: $22r, 98s, awkward steal spot
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Originally Posted by timetowom
Well padstoodup you're probably correct in the 10 cent 360 mansion you're used to.
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lol you're cicak?
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06-23-2012, 01:43 PM
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#126
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banned
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: uncapped, every street
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Re: $22r, 98s, awkward steal spot
<3
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06-23-2012, 01:50 PM
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#127
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: near your blinds
Posts: 9,407
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Re: $22r, 98s, awkward steal spot
you're awfully quiet/polite for a cicak though, wat happened? ...
Last edited by desperad0oo7; 06-23-2012 at 01:50 PM.
Reason: Let's ban EP
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06-23-2012, 01:55 PM
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#128
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banned
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: uncapped, every street
Posts: 2,887
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Quote:
Originally Posted by desperad0oo7
you're awfully quiet/polite for a cicak though, wat happened? ...
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Nice weather, small sample size. You've only been back a few days.
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06-23-2012, 03:08 PM
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#129
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 5,043
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Re: $22r, 98s, awkward steal spot
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Originally Posted by timetowom
Nice weather, small sample size. You've only been back a few days.
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LOl, saying it like you`re a hero... you like to be dumb, right?
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06-23-2012, 03:14 PM
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#130
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banned
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: uncapped, every street
Posts: 2,887
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Originally Posted by Elephants_pride
LOl, saying it like you`re a hero... you like to be dumb, right?
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Sometimes its easier to just be dumb. Especially in threads where you're OP. Also you probably don't understand the context.
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06-23-2012, 06:07 PM
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#131
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: near your blinds
Posts: 9,407
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Re: $22r, 98s, awkward steal spot
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Originally Posted by timetowom
Sometimes its easier to just be dumb. Especially in threads where you're OP. Also you probably don't understand the context.
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That's not the only thing he doesn't understand iyam
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06-24-2012, 12:28 AM
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#132
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: with the wind at our stern...
Posts: 37,682
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Re: $22r, 98s, awkward steal spot
Yawn...I'd shove...no maths of my own to add
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06-25-2012, 06:02 AM
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#133
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centurion
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 121
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Re: $22r, 98s, awkward steal spot
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Originally Posted by desperad0oo7
yes it is
and it's more than 16BB
and it's still an unexploitable shove.
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Its exploitable for him calling between 50 and 80% of his range so dont lie people.
And why the hell there are 9 pages on such a stupid question.
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06-25-2012, 06:10 AM
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#134
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banned
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: uncapped, every street
Posts: 2,887
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Re: $22r, 98s, awkward steal spot
This thread should be called non-glorious no-shove
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06-25-2012, 06:13 AM
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#135
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old hand
Join Date: May 2012
Location: late reggae somewhere
Posts: 1,300
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Re: $22r, 98s, awkward steal spot
or 'shoving for peanuts'
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