Originally Posted by ssnyc
Maybe I am mis thinking this but it is the same idea as when we bet fold a hand that has no redraw but c/c a hand with a redraw.
I mean if we get c/r with 100% air we can easily fold but it sucks when we have a semi hidden back door draw which could get huge value from his potential c/r range
We can easily fold if we get c/r with this hand too, it's not like this hand has a ton of equity vs any made hand. I see what you are saying about the implied value, but generally betting and taking a pot down with 8 high is gonna be better IMO.
As for the river, I think shoving is fairly bad and folding is completely retarded.