Didn't realise starting the hand with 75bb's was shallow??
I call

Just call....then delete thread

How can you be better when you don't even know that if he has a set, he has our hand beat in this instance?

some people are just retarded and call trips a set. he means trips

why does noone want to bet the turn?
i'd raise bigger/fold OTR

we picked up some equity when we turned a double gutter. I'd be more inclined to bet a total brick

why would you prefere a bet with little equity to a bet with decent equity.
atm we have no showdown value and get better hands to fold (when we bet 3 streets we def can)

This makes no sense?

A card that doesn't increase our fold equity or improve our hand's equity is a better card to bet than a card that does both?

Maybe I am mis thinking this but it is the same idea as when we bet fold a hand that has no redraw but c/c a hand with a redraw.

I mean if we get c/r with 100% air we can easily fold but it sucks when we have a semi hidden back door draw which could get huge value from his potential c/r range

Bet turn, you gained equity, if he raised turn then still raised your c/r on riv you would know your beat. Bet draws on paired boards. Sometimes you will get raised off your draw but come to find out it was a good thing because you were drawing dead. Implied odds go down your semi bluff ratio should go up

I think we can stand a c/r on the turn though can't we?

Nice hand. Just call now.

We can easily fold if we get c/r with this hand too, it's not like this hand has a ton of equity vs any made hand. I see what you are saying about the implied value, but generally betting and taking a pot down with 8 high is gonna be better IMO.

As for the river, I think shoving is fairly bad and folding is completely retarded.