any pp, any fd, 3x, straight draws..

You really think 3x, FDs and SDs are calling a decent turn bet?

yes. and if u dont think so, u have never attended in a poker game. and no, some of the hands arent calling a decent turn bet, thats why we are betting 30-45% of the pot

I'm pretty sure even the worst of players give up on their FDs and SDs on the turn.

I'm just lurking here, so maybe this is a dumb question...but change hero's hand to AK/AQ. Does he bet turn 100% then?

In game I'd probably check turn but can certainly see reasons for betting it. River seems to be an easy fold though.

thats just not true

36/17 vilain folding FDs on the turn? no, never gonna happen lol

hand is a bluffcatcher on turn, check it back
if have reads that guy is a calling station, maybe bet turn for value/to protect

if he bets river that can be a bluff then catch the bluff

if he ships river, consider folding unless any reads obv.

if he checks river, bet some for value

if he check ships river, fold probably

?????

ppl really need to learn the purpose of a bet and not just clicking buttons

in 95% of the cases the bet is either:

a) for value, which means he will c/c with a range that we beat OTT, which he obv should not do.
a player like this will click buttons alot OTR w/o knowing what he is doing and i might call down here OTR. our hand is relatively strong and a bluffcatcher.
or he has a good idea about what he is doing and took this line as a bluff realising that we dont have alot of strong value hands here.
b) a bluff to get better hands to fold/to take it down right there and be happy with the EV of the hand/not get into tricky decisions later in the hand.
vs a player like this river is an easy fold.

so if you valuebet turn, river is hardly ever a fold. it can be with better reads.

if you bluffed OTT and thought the bet can get better hands to fold and that he will often fold in general he will get to the river with a narrow range and you dont beat that much vs most players.


readless, check is hardly ever a big mistake. it can be the not optimal line alot vs some opponents, but its not a huge mistake.

come on furo, turn bet here is a very obvious thin vbet. not saying I advocate it but there is no way it was meant as a bluff.

vs some villains it's a good thin vbet. not sure it is good here though. lots of his flop c/c range is Ax and the A also strengthens out precieved range which makes a thin vbet less favorable. like the best barreling card can't be good for thin value imo.

I call river because there is a bunch of heart draws/straight draws/lower pairs that saw 4 to straight on the board and decided "oh good bluff spot!". obviously it could be a vlaue hand that didn't want us to check back on the 4 straight board but I think there is enough bluffs to make it a call getting more than 2:1.

i dont mind vbet/c turn, its just that most ppl here fold river since they think V shows up with some sort of nuts somehow > 70% of the time which is somehow close to impossible how the hand played out.

I think betting this turn is better for balance and we get to showdown cheaper generally.. I'd call river as played..

I always advocate betting turn when we have AX here and turn our TP aft c betting so I bet turn to balance my range.

why do you guys are pro balance in mtt's where there is almost no metagame and most villains u never see again in this same scenario for months?

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