$22 on Pacific - TPGK v fish(?) facing river overbet
Only 10 hands on villain 50/30. Obviously a meaningless sample size but given Pacific is fish infested I think we can cautiously assume he is likely to be a fish. I welcome thoughts on all streets - mainly posting it because of the river overbet. It polarised his range and I called it off because the pot was too juicy. (Also - I know pfr should be larger - was being lazy and clicked the 3/4 pot button).
Re: $22 on Pacific - TPGK v fish(?) facing river overbet
This deep preante, I don't mind a 3x BB raise pre, but w/e
good sizing. Turn is either a 3b-shove or a fold to me. Stacks after turn may assume he is firing river big and never releasing.
Fold now...
Re: $22 on Pacific - TPGK v fish(?) facing river overbet
turn is never a 3bet without further reads/dynamic/hsitory. specially from these positions.
if its Btn vs blinds or BW you could make and arguement for 3betting, but also not going to the best without history.
if u wanna continue with ur hand, when u 3bet or 3betshove the turn, villain folds his bluffs. not also u dont let him bluff the river. but when u get called is always by a range u r behind. u dont give a chance to fold the river, dunno, check/decice it. also sometimes, a weird diamond falls on the river, and villain is bad and doesnt v-bets as thin as he should be vbetting a better hand than ours.
i agree with v-delaney, bet/fold turn. but when villain makes so small im calling to decide on the river. probably c/folding to this shove.
Re: $22 on Pacific - TPGK v fish(?) facing river overbet
Just wanna say that if hero is convinced he has the best hand, he better shoves the turn, because with these stacks villain is likely to make a bet with no FE on river. And than it is our decision to make. If we shove ourselves the decision is his and I do think there are hands in his range that could make a riverbluff e.g. A9dd. Obv a riverbet big sized or shove is hard to call for us.
I b/f turn almost every time though...
Re: $22 on Pacific - TPGK v fish(?) facing river overbet
cmon dude, noooooooooooooo.
if hero is convinced he has the best hand he CALLs.
for all the reasons i have already written above.
what matters whose decision is to make? its not like villain is calling the flop, raising the turn with KT everytime and this is the predominant part of his range: hands that are calling the flop, raising the turn for value, and we are ahead of it.
Re: $22 on Pacific - TPGK v fish(?) facing river overbet
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Originally Posted by V-Delaney
More pre
More flop
More turn/f
Completely agree I need more pre. I bet only a little over half pot on the later streets as I wanted him to stick around - that might be a leak I have but it's a hard one to measure I suppose.
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Originally Posted by TrololoNoob
turn is never a 3bet without further reads/dynamic/hsitory. specially from these positions.
if its Btn vs blinds or BW you could make and arguement for 3betting, but also not going to the best without history.
if u wanna continue with ur hand, when u 3bet or 3betshove the turn, villain folds his bluffs. not also u dont let him bluff the river. but when u get called is always by a range u r behind. u dont give a chance to fold the river, dunno, check/decice it. also sometimes, a weird diamond falls on the river, and villain is bad and doesnt v-bets as thin as he should be vbetting a better hand than ours.
Definitely agree with this - this was why I called the turn and planned on reassessing the river. When he overbet the river I tended towards a call because he is so polarised. I felt a busted diamond draw was in his range, as is some fishy air he might have played on with. I posted this hand as despite the call being profitable, I did feel it was a bit of a spewey call. Full history if you're interested: