Just read the title, but with KQs the answer is always to raise


edit: just saw it's the KQ of DIAMONDS, it's a crime not to raise

shoving is +EV but a waste of an additional 15BB's when someone has a hand against a weak table if we are any good. r/f but I won't hate on an open fold.

I would just fold and bite myself into my ass asking me why i get these hands UTG ^^
There arent to many hands calling that we are in good shape against and we need to fold almost always when 3betted...

shoving is def +ev, it may not be unexploitable but that doesn't matter if we construct some ranges I doubt we don't make chips jamming KQs up to 20bb's

r/f is prob the best option

Assuming they`d call on 5% range (99+/AQ+):
EV = 66.34%*23.5k + 33.66%*(33%*178.5k-67%*155k) = 460 chips (0.05bb)

Calling a bit wider - on 7.5% range (77+/ATs+/AJo+)
EV = 53.60%*23.5k + 46.40%*(37.5%*178.5k-62.5%*155k) = -1300 chips (-0.14bb)

And sometimes we would have more than 1 caller.

Constructing some ranges you mean to shove AQ and AK as well, for example? I`d agree w/ eff being < 15bb.

This case I`d prefer to be more balanced just r/f-ing and r/c-ing my whole opening range from EP.

No the constructing ranges you did up top with the 5% and 7.5% ranges. I'm surprised it's not more profitable but then we get called less because we block 14 hands which will impact the ev pretty significantly I think.

That said I definitely agree with the last sentence and I would r/c or r/f pretty much everything with this stack in this position

A villain can have 99+ AQ+ 4.4% of the time when we have KQ.

So our EV is
23625*0.697 + (0.303)*(331653*0.3323 - 154014*0.6677)= +18704 chips, or 2bbs. Card removal is an important effect and is why KQs is a very good shoving hand.

We also do much better vs your wider range (AQ+/99+ is about as bad as it gets vs KQ), where I get us as +25778 chips....

Yes, card removal is important, but can`t so drastically change EV.

I think your calcs are wrong in assumptation you`re winning 331k when got called. (w/ 33% equity).
You can`t win chips which are yours and which you`re risking.

If you calculate inserting the whole pot amount then you should assume you always lose your chips when get called and not just in 66% of cases.

Use some basic example to understand what mistake have you made.

fold is very viable option because even though shove might be very slightly +ev, its very thin and there will be much better options. r/f seems to be the worst possible decision though as you are out of position and on basically any flop you have no good options: Cbet a huge portion of your stack and fold to raise or cbet and if called shut down turn or just check give up. All options are weak with the r/f pre. Fold or shove but even though shove is slightly +ev, wait for better and I go with FOLD.

Your right, you should get for the tighter calling range:

23625*0.697 + (0.303)*((331653-154014)*0.3323 - 154014*0.6677) = +3190 chips.

yeah, slightly +ev.

You also helped me w/ card removal effect, which I haven`t considered before.

min raise/ reevaluate and shoving both seem good.

There are 5 stacks behind you that are perfect for 3-betting you all-in in and then you are in a tough spot. Don't like shoving UTG. 30 % of the time someone will wake up behind you with a hand that crushes you.

I'm folding here every time.

Not that I love shove charts, but I'd be surprised if you found one that said shoving 30bb from UTG with KQs wasn't profitable. I know I'm oversimplifying this but the EV on a shove isn't marginal. I agree with the consensus that r/f > shove > fold