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Old 02-06-2012, 10:36 AM   #1
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$22 - Interesting spot with JJ

New table so no reads on the villain.

Should I flat the 3b pre like I did or 4b/f?
Should I c/s or c/f OTF?

    Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11796122

    Hero (UTG+2): 6,840 (136.8 bb)
    MP1: 3,100 (62 bb)
    MP2: 5,696 (113.9 bb)
    MP3: 3,935 (78.7 bb)
    CO: 8,505 (170.1 bb)
    BTN: 6,060 (121.2 bb)
    SB: 2,900 (58 bb)
    BB: 6,535 (130.7 bb)
    UTG+1: 12,834 (256.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J J
    UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to 150, MP1 raises to 356, MP2 folds, MP3 calls 356, 4 folds, Hero calls 206

    Flop: (1,143) 4 2 T (3 players)
    Hero checks, MP1 bets 622, MP3 folds, Hero ???




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    Old 02-06-2012, 10:50 AM   #2
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    Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ

    wp pre. OTF im not sure but I would c/s most of the time and hope he has no tt,qq,kk,aa.
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    Old 02-06-2012, 11:00 AM   #3
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    Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ

    pre is good

    on flop dont c/s 5x pot here...

    rather b/f like 777
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    Old 02-06-2012, 11:03 AM   #4
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    Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ

    we are deep enough to 4bet/fold.but then we are lighting our jj on fire.
    thats a board we like,so ch/sh flop is fine,if we are vs a spewy player ,we could even ch/call,ch/sh 90% of turns..it would get more value,although risky value
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    Old 02-06-2012, 02:31 PM   #5
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    Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ

    c/shove otf is very bad.
    Unknown direct on your left 3bets your 3x opening, which makes me think he`s very strong there.
    So you flat his 3 bet basically to set-mine.

    You could put him on AK, AQs which he`s cbetting IP, but you had cold-caller and I doubt he`s spazzing 3 way OOP.

    He`s drawing very strong or way ahead of jacks. Readless it`s a fold I think.
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    Old 02-07-2012, 07:10 PM   #6
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    Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ

    Antingen har han ett par, lågt par, typ 99, eller ett starkare par än dig, kan troligtvis ha AK AQ med, eller nåt liknande.
    Om han hade haft triss i något så tror jag inte han skulle 3 betat på floppen, utan slowspelat det. Just i denna situationen.
    Eftersom det är ett nytt bord och du inte har kunnat läst av honom, så folda. Om du inte vill riskera förlora en del marker.
    SÅ jag hade foldat i detta läge.
    Hade jag inte brytt mig om att åka ur, så hade jag synat, hade det kommit ett kort som är till min fördel på turnen, och han hade 3 bettat eller bettat mer igen så hade jag gått all in, kanske med på floppen,
    han kanske är en bluffare, och vi svenskar är galna.
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    Old 02-07-2012, 07:29 PM   #7
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    Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ

    I like the pre flop .. on pos flop without any reads i probably just check fold.. but when you got some reads c/c is so much better then check shove.. cause all the hands that you are winning gonna fold and the hands that you are loosing just snap calling you there.
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    Old 02-07-2012, 07:49 PM   #8
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    Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ

    readless c/c one street, people don't put that much pressure on you with air without a hand here imo.
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    Old 02-07-2012, 08:32 PM   #9
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    Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ

    c/f flop with no reads
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    Old 02-08-2012, 03:08 AM   #10
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    c/f flop with no reads
    yeah but why u peel pre then?

    i peel OTF

    otherwise just fold pre
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    Old 02-08-2012, 03:29 AM   #11
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    Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ

    wp pre, fold the flop with no reads, have to flat pre getting pretty solid odds to setmine 3 handed. shoving the flop would be real bad.
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    Old 02-08-2012, 05:08 AM   #12
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    Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ

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    Antingen har han ett par, lågt par, typ 99, eller ett starkare par än dig, kan troligtvis ha AK AQ med, eller nåt liknande.
    Om han hade haft triss i något så tror jag inte han skulle 3 betat på floppen, utan slowspelat det. Just i denna situationen.
    Eftersom det är ett nytt bord och du inte har kunnat läst av honom, så folda. Om du inte vill riskera förlora en del marker.
    SÅ jag hade foldat i detta läge.
    Hade jag inte brytt mig om att åka ur, så hade jag synat, hade det kommit ett kort som är till min fördel på turnen, och han hade 3 bettat eller bettat mer igen så hade jag gått all in, kanske med på floppen,
    han kanske är en bluffare, och vi svenskar är galna.
    yeah.

    I fold flop too? ;/
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    Old 02-08-2012, 05:27 AM   #13
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    Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ

    well we wanna basically see does he have an overpurr or AK/AQ here. So, the cheapest way would be to bet/f/shutfdown then. C/c is a bit of the same, but then in case he is barrel happy, we aint going to see the showdown since he plays us off the best hand. Then again, would v's cbet like AK here into 3way, hmmm... tough one, aint e z. prolly just fold then after all. lol.
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    Old 02-08-2012, 06:04 AM   #14
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    Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ

    c/c flop and decide turn, with the cold caller behind he prob has it here when he cbets, fine to let this go.
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    Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ

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    yeah but why u peel pre then?
    cos he got a cold-caller and we're getting a decent price + lines will be fairly transparent postflop in a mw 3b pot. If it was HU we could peel pre and happily peel a cbet, but he cbets less mw and with a much stronger range.
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