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02-06-2012, 10:36 AM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Sweden
Posts: 68
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$22 - Interesting spot with JJ
New table so no reads on the villain.
Should I flat the 3b pre like I did or 4b/f?
Should I c/s or c/f OTF?
Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11796122
Hero (UTG+2): 6,840 (136.8 bb)
MP1: 3,100 (62 bb)
MP2: 5,696 (113.9 bb)
MP3: 3,935 (78.7 bb)
CO: 8,505 (170.1 bb)
BTN: 6,060 (121.2 bb)
SB: 2,900 (58 bb)
BB: 6,535 (130.7 bb)
UTG+1: 12,834 (256.7 bb)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J  J
UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to 150, MP1 raises to 356, MP2 folds, MP3 calls 356, 4 folds, Hero calls 206
Flop: (1,143) 4  2  T (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets 622, MP3 folds, Hero ???
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02-06-2012, 10:50 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 106
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Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ
wp pre. OTF im not sure but I would c/s most of the time and hope he has no tt,qq,kk,aa.
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02-06-2012, 11:00 AM
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adept
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 934
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Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ
pre is good
on flop dont c/s 5x pot here...
rather b/f like 777
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02-06-2012, 11:03 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: glastonbury(now london)
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Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ
we are deep enough to 4bet/fold.but then we are lighting our jj on fire.
thats a board we like,so ch/sh flop is fine,if we are vs a spewy player ,we could even ch/call,ch/sh 90% of turns..it would get more value,although risky value
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02-06-2012, 02:31 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: In the forest with bears...
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Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ
c/shove otf is very bad.
Unknown direct on your left 3bets your 3x opening, which makes me think he`s very strong there.
So you flat his 3 bet basically to set-mine.
You could put him on AK, AQs which he`s cbetting IP, but you had cold-caller and I doubt he`s spazzing 3 way OOP.
He`s drawing very strong or way ahead of jacks. Readless it`s a fold I think.
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02-07-2012, 07:10 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 36
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Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ
Antingen har han ett par, lågt par, typ 99, eller ett starkare par än dig, kan troligtvis ha AK AQ med, eller nåt liknande.
Om han hade haft triss i något så tror jag inte han skulle 3 betat på floppen, utan slowspelat det. Just i denna situationen.
Eftersom det är ett nytt bord och du inte har kunnat läst av honom, så folda. Om du inte vill riskera förlora en del marker.
SÅ jag hade foldat i detta läge.
Hade jag inte brytt mig om att åka ur, så hade jag synat, hade det kommit ett kort som är till min fördel på turnen, och han hade 3 bettat eller bettat mer igen så hade jag gått all in, kanske med på floppen,
han kanske är en bluffare, och vi svenskar är galna.
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02-07-2012, 07:29 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 44
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Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ
I like the pre flop .. on pos flop without any reads i probably just check fold.. but when you got some reads c/c is so much better then check shove.. cause all the hands that you are winning gonna fold and the hands that you are loosing just snap calling you there.
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02-07-2012, 07:49 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 3,142
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Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ
readless c/c one street, people don't put that much pressure on you with air without a hand here imo.
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02-07-2012, 08:32 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ
c/f flop with no reads
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02-08-2012, 03:08 AM
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: GERMANY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Chuck
c/f flop with no reads
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yeah but why u peel pre then?
i peel OTF
otherwise just fold pre
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02-08-2012, 03:29 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: East Lansing
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Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ
wp pre, fold the flop with no reads, have to flat pre getting pretty solid odds to setmine 3 handed. shoving the flop would be real bad.
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02-08-2012, 05:08 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Wroclaw
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Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ
Quote:
Originally Posted by burloquexiv
Antingen har han ett par, lågt par, typ 99, eller ett starkare par än dig, kan troligtvis ha AK AQ med, eller nåt liknande.
Om han hade haft triss i något så tror jag inte han skulle 3 betat på floppen, utan slowspelat det. Just i denna situationen.
Eftersom det är ett nytt bord och du inte har kunnat läst av honom, så folda. Om du inte vill riskera förlora en del marker.
SÅ jag hade foldat i detta läge.
Hade jag inte brytt mig om att åka ur, så hade jag synat, hade det kommit ett kort som är till min fördel på turnen, och han hade 3 bettat eller bettat mer igen så hade jag gått all in, kanske med på floppen,
han kanske är en bluffare, och vi svenskar är galna.
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yeah.
I fold flop too? ;/
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02-08-2012, 05:27 AM
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adept
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 934
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Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ
well we wanna basically see does he have an overpurr or AK/AQ here. So, the cheapest way would be to bet/f/shutfdown then. C/c is a bit of the same, but then in case he is barrel happy, we aint going to see the showdown since he plays us off the best hand. Then again, would v's cbet like AK here into 3way, hmmm... tough one, aint e z. prolly just fold then after all. lol.
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02-08-2012, 06:04 AM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 88
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Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ
c/c flop and decide turn, with the cold caller behind he prob has it here when he cbets, fine to let this go.
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02-08-2012, 10:14 AM
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adept
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Re: $22 - Interesting spot with JJ
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinGuthOBV
yeah but why u peel pre then?
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cos he got a cold-caller and we're getting a decent price + lines will be fairly transparent postflop in a mw 3b pot. If it was HU we could peel pre and happily peel a cbet, but he cbets less mw and with a much stronger range.
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