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Old 08-06-2012, 09:18 AM   #1
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$22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

Villain is a fish, with 50/9/10
I'm running 28/12 since the blinds are low and i've had lots of hands speculative hands, like pairs, sc's etc.

In a weird spot here seeing as so many players see the flop and its likely someone has a big draw.
Is b/f super small on the river good against fish like this, he's definitely not folding a worse king and i don't think fish will raise the river too often as a bluff so i can fold happily.

Thoughts on all streets and sizings much appreciated.

    Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13671782

    MP3: 4,175 (208.8 bb)
    CO: 5,300 (265 bb)
    BTN: 4,278 (213.9 bb)
    SB: 4,720 (236 bb)
    BB: 5,000 (250 bb)
    Hero (UTG+1): 5,326 (266.3 bb)
    UTG+2: 5,365 (268.3 bb)
    MP1: 6,718 (335.9 bb)
    MP2: 3,333 (166.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K J
    Hero raises to 60, UTG+2 calls 60, MP1 folds, MP2 calls 60, MP3 calls 60, 3 folds, BB calls 40

    Flop: (310) K 6 8 (5 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 173, UTG+2 calls 173, MP2 calls 173, 2 folds

    Turn: (829) 2 (3 players)
    Hero bets 464, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls 464

    River: (1,757) T (2 players)
    Hero bets 300, MP2 raises to 1,080, Hero folds

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    Old 08-06-2012, 09:22 AM   #2
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    Re: $22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

    fold pre
    as played c/f river
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    Old 08-06-2012, 09:35 AM   #3
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    Re: $22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

    ( I just read something in another post about "reverse implied odds w KJ")

    fold pre /hand
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    Old 08-06-2012, 09:43 AM   #4
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    Re: $22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

    I personally think folding KJ pre is a mistake. We're super deep and the table has a few fish. I'm fairly competent postflop and will be able to determine when i'm not good.
    I'm just wondering whether the river is just a simple check/fold tbh.
    The only problem i'm thinking is that when i check the river i'm opening myself to bluffed off my hand by a worse pair, because these fish will call in the hopes of making two pair etc and have a default, bet when checked too mentality.
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    Old 08-06-2012, 09:43 AM   #5
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    Re: $22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

    c/f river
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    Old 08-06-2012, 09:44 AM   #6
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    Re: $22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

    Furo, sizing thoughts on previous streets?
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    Old 08-06-2012, 10:01 AM   #7
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    Re: $22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

    its w/e if you bet 20 more otf or 40 less OTT, ppl dont change their ranges (especially 50/9 donks)
    just dont turn it into a bluff by betting 3/4+ pot or bet 1/3 pot and give everything direct odds. make your standard cbet, it does not matter if its 47% pot or 58% pot, ppl who isolate spots and insist on cbetting 5% bigger/smaller are idiots.
    obv there are spots where you should not bet >1/3 pot (stacksize or read related vs some opponents), but overall in std spots it does not matter.
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    Old 08-06-2012, 11:03 AM   #8
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    Re: $22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

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    The only problem i'm thinking is that when i check the river i'm opening myself to bluffed off my hand by a worse pair, because these fish will call in the hopes of making two pair etc and have a default, bet when checked too mentality.
    I don't see people turning 2nd pair into a bluff here on the river and are likely folding the turn with these hands. Even if someone flatted K9s, he likely just checks back river. K10s got there and flush so it does indeed look like a simple check/fold spot on the river. I'm also in the fold pre camp.
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    Old 08-06-2012, 11:11 AM   #9
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    Re: $22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

    fold pre...open KJ suited...
    flop and turn seem fine...river is kind of ugly and I dont love your sizing...either c/X or bet fold a little bigger
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    Re: $22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

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    fold pre...open KJ suited...
    flop and turn seem fine...river is kind of ugly and I dont love your sizing...either c/X or bet fold a little bigger
    This.
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    Old 08-06-2012, 12:26 PM   #11
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    Re: $22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

    Alright lads, thanks for the input.
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    Old 08-06-2012, 01:25 PM   #12
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    Re: $22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

    What shah said. Except the fold pre part.
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    Old 08-06-2012, 01:27 PM   #13
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    What shah said. Except the fold pre part.
    9 handed...probably readless...KJ off...UTG...to each their own I guess but not sure what we really want to accomplish by opening here...I guess K10 could stack off 160-300BB deep on KXX
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    Re: $22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

    Well you aren't wrong. I'm just a fish who hates folding.
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    Re: $22 Deep Stacks KJ Multiway linecheck.

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    9 handed...probably readless...KJ off...UTG...to each their own I guess but not sure what we really want to accomplish by opening here...I guess K10 could stack off 160-300BB deep on KXX
    In a field with obv fishes open pre is fine.
    More otf ~200.
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