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10-10-2013 , 02:11 PM

Taliwahn

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 141

Poker Stars, $22.75 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 70 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: 18,929 (31.5 bb)
SB: 11,074 (18.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 41,026 (68.4 bb)
UTG+1: 23,540 (39.2 bb)
UTG+2: 8,970 (15 bb)
MP1: 6,260 (10.4 bb)
MP2: 44,275 (73.8 bb)
MP3: 4,055 (6.8 bb)
CO: 19,290 (32.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7

5 folds, CO raises to 1,500, 2 folds, Hero raises to 4,200,

Hello, my main game is Omaha Cashgame and I am not a tournament player. I wan't to know if I can raise/call this hand. Are there any tools on the market which can tell me if I can push here, after I give Villian a openraising and pushing range?

Villian was playing 19/15 on a very small sample of 27 Hand. Is raise calling my play? Does anyone prefer calling? It's far away from itm.

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10-10-2013 , 02:29 PM

WashUrHandsPlz

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MS Excel and pokerstove.com.
Or you can pay for ICMizer.

3b/x-ing with 77 is bad.
No blockers, you allow him to 4bet-shove hands you want him to fold and makes it easier for him to adjust to you if you 3bet/call hands like this.

You can just 3bet-shove if you think he`s opening wide range from CO or call and play p/f if he was playing on a tighter side.

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10-10-2013 , 02:45 PM

bikram

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Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz

+1.

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10-10-2013 , 03:15 PM

Taliwahn

centurion

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do you push or call all your range with 30bb effective here by default? Or do you split your range in a 3b/x range with monsters and bluffs and a push or fold range with middle strong hands like AJs and 77?

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10-10-2013 , 03:17 PM

gregz41

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Jam is fine if a bit face up.

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10-10-2013 , 04:43 PM

Economos

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I like a call this deep if you feel comfortable postflop, 3b/x is obv bad for reasons previously mentioned, jamming is close but high variance. I guess if you suck post jammings the right play but I dont really like ripping 33bigs into a tighter opener with two 7s. Your hand is pretty face up when you jam so if he's competant jamming is even worse.

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10-10-2013 , 04:58 PM

shichibukai

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call

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10-10-2013 , 09:24 PM

betgo

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Push or call. I wouldn't 3b/f or 3b/c.

Push is sort of face up, but he can't tell is you have a mid pp or high cards, so it isn't really exploitable.

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10-11-2013 , 03:49 AM

furo

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I like The 3b sizing for multiple obv reasons and obv 3b/c this happily

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10-11-2013 , 06:20 AM

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oldsilver

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Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz

Or you can pay for ICMizer.

You want me to pay $99 for software?!

(Now excuse me while I b/3b $1k AI with 8 high)

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10-11-2013 , 08:29 AM

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WashUrHandsPlz

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Originally Posted by furo

I like The 3b sizing for multiple obv reasons and obv 3b/c this happily

which you wont tell to us, but they def exist.
If you follow then you follow and if you dont then you dont.

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10-11-2013 , 08:31 AM

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WashUrHandsPlz

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Originally Posted by oldsilver

You want me to pay $99 for software?!

dont give a sh*t wwyd, but Im ready to open a foundation to raise funds to ban ICMizers.

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10-11-2013 , 10:25 AM

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furo

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Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz

which you wont tell to us, but they def exist.
If you follow then you follow and if you dont then you dont.

na, ppl should just use the search function more.
This spot has been discussed in length over the last years and in the current metagame ppl can profitably flat AND 4b light in this spot. With mid pairs rather get them to 4b light than flat. With hands like JTsKQo rather get them to flat than 4b.

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10-11-2013 , 10:42 AM

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WashUrHandsPlz

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suggest your light 4b sizing here given opening & 3betting sizings.

I was so specific with my reply bc OR said he plays PLO. when I post in plo8 forum I also prefer to get somewhat extensive replies instead of guessing puzzles.

but its ok, I dont hate you reply, just saying....
still dont think 3b/c is good.

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10-11-2013 , 11:11 AM

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betgo

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You can 3b/c, but I think push is a little better. You are not really representing a bluff with that sizing. You don't want to get called OOP with this hand. The push is not a bluff or AA, but is often AQ of something.

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10-11-2013 , 04:44 PM

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deucesofclub

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being out of position, I think call and see the board texture and play accordingly.

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