ok so when the BU call i put him range like Ax maybe 2 brodways or smal paire below my 8

ManuelB i didnt have his stat because he was new at the table but i knew that his had more than 300 K winning ...

The BB was going to push for sure , so when he push and maybe that where my mistake is i thought that calling was more impressive than pushing , because if i had monster hand AA or KK i was going to call for sur

So when ManuelB push what do u think his range is ? do u think i should let 35 BB pot go away ? should i shoved from the beginning ?


Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (3,500/7,000 blinds, 875 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools by CardRunners - Hand Details


MikeLúv: 117,322 (16.8 bb)
Hero: 243,936 (34.8 bb)
Rofigo77: 382,250 (54.6 bb)
ManuelB100: 312,858 (44.7 bb)
YorBreda: 104,998 (15 bb)
eXtAnD: 53,804 (7.7 bb)
jager1987: 86,962 (12.4 bb)
diegoorg: 126,612 (18.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8 8
3 folds, Hero raises to 15,888, Rofigo77 folds, ManuelB100 calls 15,888, YorBreda folds, eXtAnD raises to 52,929 and is all-in, Hero calls 37,041, ManuelB100 raises to 311,983 and is all-in, Hero calls 190,132 and is all-in

Flop: (549,551) 4 J A (3 players, 3 are all-in)
Turn: (549,551) 3 (3 players, 3 are all-in)
River: (549,551) 5 (3 players, 3 are all-in)

Results:

Fold when raised, fold when raised the 2nd time

you're crushed against villains range and its a muck

Manuel showed you AK?

i would shove when it gets back to you the first time... button's range is pretty wide/he's gonna call wide as well

ehm... yeah, that's the common line to take given reads. Im sure he calls you with 22

dont u think , that he s call at the button show a lot of weakness ?

from that call , i knew that he didnt have TT + i knew that i was not dominated , maybe coin flip but not dominated

Is my thinking wrong ?

He will flat lots of hands in the better range behind with you on some 35bb here where he would be bad against a 4b shove after him 3b. Hence placing AK,AQs,99,TT,JJ in his pocket. He will also setmine with some that you have crushed.

Pushing will fold some of his better range so you have some decent FE but you're only defending half of that pot with villain2 all in.

I jam the first time when it comes back to you and I think flatting with a view to having the button go nuts is bad when you consider the range that he's likely to jam here

also this is a $5 mtt and belongs in small stakes so I am moving it there