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08-31-2010 , 02:22 AM
...and suggest alternative options please. Is there a better sizing pf? Everyone in the hand is a random / probably bad. I've been tight.


Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30.00/t60.00 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): t3366.00 56.10 BBs
SB: t2940.00 49 BBs
BB: t3180.00 53 BBs
UTG: t4110.00 68.50 BBs
UTG+1: t2680.00 44.67 BBs
UTG+2: t2101.00 35.02 BBs
MP1: t8140.00 135.67 BBs
MP2: t6813.00 113.55 BBs
CO: t1100.00 18.33 BBs

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is BTN with A K
UTG raises to t180, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls t180, 1 fold, MP2 calls t180, 1 fold, Hero raises to t750, 2 folds, UTG calls t570, 2 folds

Flop: (t1950) 8 2 Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t2616.00
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08-31-2010 , 03:04 AM
b/c like 700ish may be better to get them to spaz wide, but if you think hell fold small pairs and has them in his range, this isnt too bad i guess
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08-31-2010 , 03:15 AM
i perfer to bet 1200 here and never fold. preflop is good tho.
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08-31-2010 , 10:02 AM
preflop is good, I like a b/c 800ish otf
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08-31-2010 , 12:42 PM
b/c flop>openjam, they put you on ak alot
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08-31-2010 , 12:51 PM
i definitely flat here sometimes pre, bad?
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08-31-2010 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 4ObliVioN4
i definitely flat here sometimes pre, bad?
I do the same sometimes too if I'm SB/BB, but OTB I think a healthy raise is better for position.

I like a smaller bet/call, you're trying to rep a big hand with the over-spazz I guess, but would you ever really play an overpair or AQ like that? Seems like a pretty transparent play.
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08-31-2010 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mmbossman
I do the same sometimes too if I'm SB/BB, but OTB I think a healthy raise is better for position.

I like a smaller bet/call, you're trying to rep a big hand with the over-spazz I guess, but would you ever really play an overpair or AQ like that? Seems like a pretty transparent play.
whats the logic behind flatting AK oop and 3betting in pos?
+1 to what prot said
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08-31-2010 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by daviid
whats the logic behind flatting AK oop and 3betting in pos?
+1 to what prot said
Position? When villain flats IP and the flop misses, it's much harder to play well. What do you do when you c-bet and he raises? Or do you just plan to check and give up if he bets? A c/r is sexy, and if he gives you a free card that's awesome, but imo that's throwing away chips when villain doesn't fold. 3 betting OTB gives you position and information, and makes it easier to play optimally. Obviously this is all dependent on stack sizes, and I only flat AK OOP with deep stacks behind, but I simply don't like playing OOP much because it allows your opponent to play more optimally than you.

Do you have any particular reason why you'd rather bloat the pot OOP? (other than omg AK is nutz, obv)
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08-31-2010 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by daviid
whats the logic behind flatting AK oop and 3betting in pos?
+1 to what prot said
it's better to build a pot with a premium hand in position than out of position
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08-31-2010 , 02:53 PM
may i ask why you bet 2600 into 1900 otf?
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08-31-2010 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mmbossman
Position? When villain flats IP and the flop misses, it's much harder to play well. What do you do when you c-bet and he raises? Or do you just plan to check and give up if he bets? A c/r is sexy, and if he gives you a free card that's awesome, but imo that's throwing away chips when villain doesn't fold. 3 betting OTB gives you position and information, and makes it easier to play optimally. Obviously this is all dependent on stack sizes, and I only flat AK OOP with deep stacks behind, but I simply don't like playing OOP much because it allows your opponent to play more optimally than you.

Do you have any particular reason why you'd rather bloat the pot OOP? (other than omg AK is nutz, obv)
r we talkin about OPs hand in particular or about playing AK in a raised pot? we wont lose pos in that hand, no matter if we 3bet or flat cause we will still be on the btn obv playing oop is much harder than playing in pos, so thats why u should be 3betting there, to take it down pre. so yeah, my reasoning to "bloat the pot oop" is because i will be able to take it down pre pretty often.btw ur questions about what to do post flop with AK r completely irrelevant and i am sure u will be able to figure out yourself why that is the case.
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08-31-2010 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by daviid
r we talkin about OPs hand in particular or about playing AK in a raised pot? we wont lose pos in that hand, no matter if we 3bet or flat cause we will still be on the btn obv playing oop is much harder than playing in pos, so thats why u should be 3betting there, to take it down pre. so yeah, my reasoning to "bloat the pot oop" is because i will be able to take it down pre pretty often.btw ur questions about what to do post flop with AK r completely irrelevant and i am sure u will be able to figure out yourself why that is the case.
Yes, we're talking about OPs hand, which is why I said this:

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Originally Posted by mmbossman
I do the same sometimes too if I'm SB/BB, but OTB I think a healthy raise is better for position.
He's OTB so I like a raise. I merely stated why I would possibly flat OOP, not that it's relevant to this hand. You asked what the differences were between play IP and OOP, and that's what I was describing.
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