I am on the aggro but not overly aggro side, been 3bting a lot before but I think peeps noticed I changed pace on the FT bubble.

Have a history with villain in UTG who is a good 2p2 reg, prolly not very well known, mid/hi-stakes grinder, I 3b him alot, 5b shoved once, he didnt play back very much.

I am obviously snappin UTG's shove and expect it too, but wtf at other villain, he didnt take too long to shove, he's a good midstakes grinder as well, lots of volume, kind low roi, appeared solid so far .

Any possible reason this isn't a muck pretty quick due to ICM ? 10 left, I'm 4/10 , 2 stacks with about 10bb on the other table.

Payouts are somethign like $400 for 10th, 600- 9, 800 -8, 1200, etc, 7.7k for first.

No Limit Holdem Tournament
FullTiltPoker
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (166k)
Hero (285k)
BTN (136k)
SB (229k)
BB (354k)

Blinds: 3k/6k Ante 750

Pre-Flop: (13k, 5 players) Hero is CO 10 10
UTG raises to 12k, Hero raises to 29k, 1 fold, SB goes all-in 228k, 1 fold, UTG folds, 198839 to Hero (256429)?

Tough one...I fold 9,9 or worse, call with JJ or better.

10,10 would be based on reads. If villain is good mid-stakes grinder, this is a fold IMO.

Trivial fold.

I fold, but I'm a confirmed nit.

Really?

i thought it was a pretty easy fold without ICM considerations, but even moreso with them.

Personally I'd call here a lot but I don't think we can given it's the FT bubble...I'm surprised perca thinks it's a trivial fold though

wouldnt be surprised if QQ was a fold here. it's probably not, but if villain is tight - could be.

edit:
quick/rough icm work using another ft's exact payouts:
~2446 if we fold, ~1058 if we double him, ~3633 if we win.

x*3633+(1-x)1058 > 2446
3633x + 1058 - 1058x > 2446
2575x > 1388
x > 53.9% equity to call

QQ has 54.146% vs KK-JJ, AQs+, AKo

I agree with easy fold, but Exit, can you really discount AA? If you put AA in his range you are only getting 48% with QQ, and I can easily see him shoving AA because a smaller 4bet here would look pretty strong.

yea word i was just giving an example range not my best guess of what this guy is shoving.

some dead money in there plus money spot but still cant see how this cannot end up in the muck unless the guy's suicidal but acc to reads no

yah I folded after thinking a little bit, don't think I am ever doing very well against his range and he's not the suicidal type

JJ in this spot would be really close and I'm starting to weep even think about that situation. Prob a fold ICM wise. TT is a fold.

pretty easy fold given reads/stacks etc...