Hey guys, this hand occurred early on pretty readless. Hand is played on pokerstars.fr which adds a certain lol factor. Line check?

In game I sighcall but we should probably fold..

We appear sort of capped and its the perfect sizing to level us into a call, I doubt he's playing diamonds or the few Qx this way very often, think we need to lean towards the nittier side in this spot readless.

It's a very strange/interesting play by villain. Did turn really hit him that hard? Maybe he turned a set? I feel like a straight wouldn't go so big after you've checked at him twice; think he'd want to take a more profitable line.

Readless, I'm thinking this is 2 pair or better maybe 70%, 20% a combo draw he's playing strong as a semi-bluff, 10% just making a move.

After villain calls our pre-flop raise, I'm down as soon as the King hits the board. As dealt, he probably has better than just the Kings, which are good enough. I fold and curse the b*tches.

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On .fr, I take a not and sigh-fold here. Tthere's a chance that he will donate his stack to you later on if you're looking for spots, especially if he's doing that with draws. But you don't know that yet, so I fold this time.

I'm glad no one has said that I need to bet to prevent this happening.

All the posters want to fold to this shove and this seems fine ofc. But what about flop decision (bet/check) and what if the Villain bets with normal size ott. Personally I think they all are pretty close. Seems like ch>bet otf (c/f right?) . And ott it's even closer, still check I think, but c/c this time.

Can't understand if this hand is threadworthy readless.

If we assume he's not thinking about your range then it looks like he's afraid of river scare cards which can make you a straight so I think his range contains lots of better hands like two pairs, Kx, maybe even some sets.

But it seems even considering you have pretty weak range for checking twice on that textures you block many worse semibluffs.

If I wasn't readless, I probably wouldn't have made the thread though.

My plan was to x/c flop given my blockers to Kx hands and evaluate the turn. Once I got to this turn, I figured x/c a bet is fine and if it get checked back again then I'm good to value bet pretty much all rivers.

When you check twice it's hard for him to see you on Kx or QQ particularly when a possible fd hit ott. As a consequence, in this spot, I'm expecting to see some protection move like this with hand like AJ or even TT-JJ. Also, I think he can obv have some AT-AdTd in his range.
If we run against the top of his range we still have some good outs so def not folding here.

Readless I think I prefer a small c-bet. Your not going to induce a worse hand to bet enough by checking. There is enough jx, openenders, and overs/gutters that I rather just cbet especially out of position. As is you have invested little in the pot and the turn is one of the worst cards to see. This is stuff like tj, kq,k10 or a straight more often than a comodraw imo. Therefore, I like the turn fold as played.

seems fine now call

this for me.

Anyway, being a so fishy field, is not bad to fold here and wait for a spot that, sooner or later, will happen and we will have a better chance.

I might make a cbet otf or not, but not betting ott was a mistake.
Now i´ll fold and take his chips later.

Wp - I think call is best now. Its really hard for me to see many hands in his range that plays like this that beats you since your range is somewhat capped. It makes no sense for him to be overshoving a strong hand like this against a weak range.

I disagree (and have been burned by) this theory that the bet here is "too much" and therefore indicates weakness rather than strength. I've seen far too many such plays in MTTs where vilain has the nuts and still shoves, precisely because a smaller bet might induce a fold, but a shove might induce a call by a player thinking like this and also thinking that the reward for a correct call justifies the risk.

A second problem here is that villain may will have a weak King and be trying to use the possible straight draw as a semi-bluff to induce a fold from us if we have two pair or a stronger kicker for our King. I'd be more inclined to make the call if there weren't so many combos that beat us.

Would you fold AK? KT? KJ? Its a really bad spot for villain to try to get you to fold two pair in a 3-betted pot. Honestly I can see just as many combos that we beat as combos we lose to.

I folded, but it seems people think the spot is close so at least this thread was worth making.

A lot of people will do this with a mediocre or bad king after you check twice on this board.

why dont we cbet flop?