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03-24-2017 , 05:41 PM
So this is a private bar tournament with 40 players in NYC. Gets a mix of fun players and it's all amateurs with the occasional Borgata or Parx reg mixed in.

I play in the game all the time and know most players. Villain in this hand is new to me and is a middle-aged guy in a suit and tie that is very amiable with a thick Brooklyn accent.

Starting stack is 20k, all stacks are 20k effective except for mine as I had about 24k having won an earlier hand without showdown by checking raising the LAG player to my immediate left.

Level 1
Blinds, 25/50

Hero raises UTG +1 with AsAd to 200, Button calls, Villain in the SB raises to 1,100, Hero 4B to 3,000, button folds and Villain insta calls

Flop Jd7h6h
Pot: 6,250

Villain donk leads 7,250, Hero ?
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03-24-2017 , 06:21 PM
Assuming Villain isn't insane, he's playing either AA or KK. Faint chance he has QQ or AKs with a flush draw.

If he's insane, he could have any of the three possible sets, or an OESD. But lets put the chance of him being insane at 2%, especially given that nice suit he's wearing. No reason to turn our strategy inside out because of such rarities.

We want to get his whole stack if he has KK; we'd like to get paid more if he's chasing a flush, and we probably aren't folding anything on the turn unless he emits the mother of all tells when a Q or heart comes in.

I'd shove, accepting the small risk that he folds KK or QQ that might have paid us more. Given the size of his flop bet, I think he's pot committed no matter what. The fact that you posted this hand makes me think it went to showdown ... with something unpleasant happening on the river. Sorry if that's the case.

In general, unless the board is horrendously unfriendly (KQJs in a suit we don't have), I'm happy getting it all in with Aces on a flop.
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03-25-2017 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by RiverDood
Assuming Villain isn't insane, he's playing either AA or KK. Faint chance he has QQ or AKs with a flush draw.

If he's insane, he could have any of the three possible sets, or an OESD. But lets put the chance of him being insane at 2%, especially given that nice suit he's wearing. No reason to turn our strategy inside out because of such rarities.

We want to get his whole stack if he has KK; we'd like to get paid more if he's chasing a flush, and we probably aren't folding anything on the turn unless he emits the mother of all tells when a Q or heart comes in.

I'd shove, accepting the small risk that he folds KK or QQ that might have paid us more. Given the size of his flop bet, I think he's pot committed no matter what. The fact that you posted this hand makes me think it went to showdown ... with something unpleasant happening on the river. Sorry if that's the case.

In general, unless the board is horrendously unfriendly (KQJs in a suit we don't have), I'm happy getting it all in with Aces on a flop.
I analyzed it much the same way, but does his overbet lead change anything in evaluating his range vs. a check/raise line from Villain?
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03-25-2017 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Laomedon
I analyzed it much the same way, but does his overbet lead change anything in evaluating his range vs. a check/raise line from Villain?
Villain overbet the flop, too, so his bet sizing in general seems weird. It does make JJ a bit more likely, but you'd need a powerful read to slow down or back off. I suppose you could chat him up and ask him why he's so excited about the flop. Still, JJ shouldn't be insta-calling your preflop 4-bet. Most players would have given that a moment's thought.

If he took you out with 76o, hey, that stuff will happen in bar games.
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03-25-2017 , 11:44 AM
Good Luck, All in!
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03-27-2017 , 12:44 AM
You just stated that most people are amateurs there, why even analyze it, you guys assume these are super pros and put all this thought into the betting, he can easily have AJ or KJ or even QJ
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03-27-2017 , 08:41 AM
Rip it in best from explo perspective.
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03-27-2017 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RiverDood
Villain overbet the flop, too, so his bet sizing in general seems weird. It does make JJ a bit more likely, but you'd need a powerful read to slow down or back off. I suppose you could chat him up and ask him why he's so excited about the flop. Still, JJ shouldn't be insta-calling your preflop 4-bet. Most players would have given that a moment's thought.

If he took you out with 76o, hey, that stuff will happen in bar games.
Doesn't seem like he'd have pocket Jacks, I don't think he leads in with top set? Maybe a check raise shove with top set but I really doubt he leads in with an overbet. Seems he had KK's or QQ's.
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03-27-2017 , 11:15 AM
Not trying to ridicule, but this seems like your basic jam spot... if he flopped a set, tough break is all....

after playing with tons of non-pros (as am i) for most of my life, villian could EASILY have AJ or KJ here.. and the VAST majority of vanilla players are gonna check here if they flop top set...

bombs away
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03-31-2017 , 12:17 PM
He ended up having 77 to leave me super short after I piled in over the top of his flop lead. Definitely think I play it the same way every time, just wanted to make sure!
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