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2 Interesting Hands - 22$ and 24$ 2 Interesting Hands - 22$ and 24$

07-11-2017 , 07:14 PM
1) Villain seems like bad reg (135 hands, faced 8x 3bet - folded 50%, called 50%, 6.3 post-flop aggression).

    Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 80 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: 18,489 (23.1 bb)
    BB: 7,080 (8.9 bb)
    MP: 21,792 (27.2 bb)
    Rakeback24/7: 37,480 (46.9 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 59,335 (74.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with J A
    MP folds, Rakeback24/7 raises to 1,600, Hero raises to 4,800, 2 folds, Rakeback24/7 calls 3,200

    Flop: (11,200) 8 8 Q (2 players)
    Rakeback24/7 checks, Hero bets 3,500, Rakeback24/7 raises to 9,324, Hero calls 5,824

    Turn: (29,848) 7 (2 players)
    Rakeback24/7 bets 23,276 and is all-in, Hero calls 23,276



    2) Villain seems like decent reg (240 hands, 4.8 post-flop aggression, c-bet 2-way 5/8 flops).

      Pacific, $22 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (SB): 14,776 (49.3 bb)
      BB: 35,614 (118.7 bb)
      UTG+2: 2,658 (8.9 bb)
      MP1: 3,007 (10 bb)
      MP2: 4,395 (14.7 bb)
      MP3: 10,737 (35.8 bb)
      CO: 12,082 (40.3 bb)
      uberslug1987: 18,087 (60.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 5
      5 folds, uberslug1987 raises to 600, Hero calls 450, BB folds

      Flop: (1,820) 7 3 6 (2 players)
      Hero checks, uberslug1987 bets 900, Hero calls 900

      Turn: (3,620) J (2 players)
      Hero checks, uberslug1987 bets 2,410, Hero calls 2,410

      River: (8,440) Q (2 players)
      Hero checks, uberslug1987 bets 14,137 and is all-in, Hero calls 10,826 and is all-in

      2 Interesting Hands - 22$ and 24$ Quote
      07-11-2017 , 07:39 PM
      You're asking us to analyse hero calls. And the thing about a hero call is that it is mostly a feel thing. Like you feel it doesn't add up somehow, and that little voice in your head whispers for you to call, so you do and you're right, hooray!

      Anyway, the first hand I'd probably let it go. If he's as bad as you say I'd rather let him think he can check raise me freely and nail him later with a big hand than risk giving up most of my chips on a sketchy call with Ace high.

      The second hand, who knows? If you have some reason to think that the good reg is betting four times with air go ahead and call his over-bet with your under-pair. But really this thread seems more like humblebrag than serious questions and might be better suited to BBV than the strategy forum.
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      07-11-2017 , 07:42 PM
      both seem pretty spewy. in the first one id def check back flop and go fron there. i guess you could make a case for betcalling AKcc or whatever but AdJx blocks a ton of hands that villain might choose to checkshove with. second hand i am folding to this turn sizing. i assume we will get bluffed here somewhat frequently, however countering that by just closing our eyes and stationing down with the bottom of our range doesnt seem very effective.
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      07-11-2017 , 11:24 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by daviid
      Countering that by just closing our eyes and stationing down with the bottom of our range doesnt seem very effective.
      +1

      It's okay to fold the best hand sometimes. If you get in the habit of making calls like these you will be throwing away a lot of chips in exchange for the occasional rush of dopamine you get from snapping off a bluff when you happen to be right.

      That being said, there are a couple regs I'm betting flop hoping to GII w/ AJ, but I've played 2k+ hands with them and they are still playing paired boards like it's 2009.

      Last edited by Sheep4ker; 07-11-2017 at 11:34 PM.
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      07-12-2017 , 08:57 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by daviid
      both seem pretty spewy. in the first one id def check back flop and go fron there. i guess you could make a case for betcalling AKcc or whatever but AdJx blocks a ton of hands that villain might choose to checkshove with. second hand i am folding to this turn sizing. i assume we will get bluffed here somewhat frequently, however countering that by just closing our eyes and stationing down with the bottom of our range doesnt seem very effective.
      How is this bottom of the range? It is like top of range (except 9 combos of sets) that blocks nuts (and some potencial bluffs too). I am not sure if A7 is better call then 55 in this spot for example.

      Last edited by CorrectSide; 07-12-2017 at 09:17 AM.
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      07-12-2017 , 09:03 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by daviid
      both seem pretty spewy. in the first one id def check back flop and go fron there. i guess you could make a case for betcalling AKcc or whatever but AdJx blocks a ton of hands that villain might choose to checkshove with. second hand i am folding to this turn sizing. i assume we will get bluffed here somewhat frequently, however countering that by just closing our eyes and stationing down with the bottom of our range doesnt seem very effective.
      I am 1/3 c-betting range there with 100% frequency given range advantage especially on this board. And I don't think villain is ever raising Qx or 8x, because it just doesn't make any sence to raise it.
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      07-12-2017 , 09:20 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by CorrectSide
      How is this bottom of the range? It is like top of range (except 9 combos of sets) that blocks nuts (and some potencial bluffs too). I am not sure if A8 is better call then 55 in this spot for example.


      sets, 88-99 as well as the occasional KsQs or KdJd seem like more than enough combos to call three streets with on this runout. if 55 is not the bottom of ypur range otr, what worse hands do you get there with? i literally cant think of a single hand other than 44 (which should probably be a c/f ott for the reasons mentioned above). if you can name that many worse hands you do have in your range otr its pretty safe to assume that you are playing way too wide from the sb.
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      07-12-2017 , 09:24 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by CorrectSide
      I am 1/3 c-betting range there with 100% frequency given range advantage especially on this board. And I don't think villain is ever raising Qx or 8x, because it just doesn't make any sence to raise it.


      any reason for cbetting 100% on that flop? does 100% cbetting frequency include 88,QQ,JJ for example? cbetting 100% def isnt optimal. also if you are b/cing the bottom of your value range (i guess its a vbet otf which is weird enough) it seems like a fairly decent play to x/jam Qx or 8x from villains perspective.
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      07-12-2017 , 09:25 AM
      u posted 2 herocalls and u want us to say WOW NHs. well they aint.

      im not sure Q88 is a board where u have that of range advantage. if u cbet 100% flop here u ll be raped on turns/rivers vs better players.
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