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2 annoying spots in 109 turbo 2 annoying spots in 109 turbo

08-24-2010 , 11:46 PM
Hand 1:


Poker Stars $100+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t350/t700 Blinds + t85 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): t9135 M = 5.03
kamasias (UTG): t6667 M = 3.67
gank (UTG+1): t8335 M = 4.59
kadka (UTG+2): t30370 M = 16.73
GodsTeacher (MP1): t4881 M = 2.69
aprilsfool (MP2): t3608 M = 1.99
Deerboy (CO): t24951 M = 13.75
00psiedaisy (BTN): t6820 M = 3.76
JavaJunkie05 (SB): t7795 M = 4.29

Pre Flop: (t1815) Hero is BB with 7 7
1 fold, gank raises to t8250 all in, 2 folds, aprilsfool calls t3523 all in, 3 folds Hero??


Hand 2:
More interesting as we are on the EXACT bubble. So more of an icm spot obviously its +cev to call.





Poker Stars $100+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t100 - 8 players
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blumenkind53 (MP1): t22077 M = 11.04
discomonky (MP2): t20315 M = 10.16
petecoldfeet (CO): t28268 M = 14.13
SamENole (BTN): t25310 M = 12.65
Hero (SB): t8575 M = 4.29
kamasias (BB): t6622 M = 3.31
mistakooll (UTG): t9146 M = 4.57
kbp00 (UTG+1): t11617 M = 5.81

Pre Flop: (t2000) Hero is SB with 6 A
5 folds, SamENole raises to t9600Hero??
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08-24-2010 , 11:51 PM
1- sighfold- 77 doesnt play well in 3-way pots, at least imo.

2- Exact bubble I think I may fold cuz I'm a supernit and like my mincashes way too much. But calling is def +eV.
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08-24-2010 , 11:54 PM
I'd fold hand 1 but possibly call 88

As for hand 2, as I see it icm isn't really important in mtt bubble situations as you're too far away from the money. In other words, any spot thats +Cev should still be taken. (I could be wrong though)

Last edited by PokerBreed; 08-24-2010 at 11:54 PM. Reason: Herro MSMTT!
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08-25-2010 , 12:29 AM
Hand #1: 77 is probably the bottom of my calling range here.
Hand #2: ICM fold.
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08-25-2010 , 12:29 AM
both seem like pretty std folds

with 77 youre not miles ahead of utg+1s range anyway imo and you have to beat him to breakevenish anyway
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08-25-2010 , 12:49 AM
H1 I'm folding 77 and 88 and 99 is where I decide. H2 ICM fold imo. a9ish is where I begin to contemplate calling.
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08-25-2010 , 12:52 AM
1. i think i fold 77 but call 88

2. fold, if you are bored/1 tabling and can watch to see if other shorties bust then stall and call if someone shorter does
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08-25-2010 , 12:59 AM
think both are very clear folds
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08-25-2010 , 01:10 AM
snapfold both

gank is even more of a nit than me
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08-25-2010 , 01:36 AM
both are folds
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08-25-2010 , 02:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerBreed
I'd fold hand 1 but possibly call 88

As for hand 2, as I see it icm isn't really important in mtt bubble situations as you're too far away from the money. In other words, any spot thats +Cev should still be taken. (I could be wrong though)
u know that the bubble means u r about to be in the money?
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08-25-2010 , 02:57 AM
Fold both. They're very marginal, and if you fold you have plenty of chips to still open-shove with in a turbo, which is a far more +EV play and one you won't have all the times you call and lose. Obviously ICM makes the second one even more so.
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08-25-2010 , 09:24 AM
I fold both
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08-25-2010 , 09:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerBreed
as I see it icm isn't really important in mtt bubble situations as you're too far away from the money.

I fold both as well!
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08-25-2010 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by nath
Fold both. They're very marginal, and if you fold you have plenty of chips to still open-shove with in a turbo, which is a far more +EV play and one you won't have all the times you call and lose. Obviously ICM makes the second one even more so.
are you suggesting that hand 2 is a fold without icm implications?
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08-25-2010 , 09:49 AM
It's dem pocket sebens tho! Does that mean you're folding AJs as well? I might consider tightening up my 10bb overcalling ranges, but I'm not liking it one bit.
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08-25-2010 , 10:54 AM
1: fold 2: turbo fold
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08-25-2010 , 02:31 PM
1. call..


2. fold
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08-25-2010 , 02:34 PM
im pretty shocked everyone wants to fold 1, im not folding.
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08-25-2010 , 02:50 PM
I fold both but 1 is closer
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08-25-2010 , 03:12 PM
Not folding 1 either but I assume all turbos are like 12/180s which is a bit of a mistake If you have a nit read on the first shover then folding is ok, April's call should tighten our calling range a bit but he can still be quite wide with 5bbs.

Hand 2 is a snap call most of the time but I def think you should fold on the bubble. ICM considerations on the bubble are far larger than we tend to think, and with A6 you are busting too often for too little gain.
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08-25-2010 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by p3rc4
It's dem pocket sebens tho! Does that mean you're folding AJs as well? I might consider tightening up my 10bb overcalling ranges, but I'm not liking it one bit.
AJs has waaaaaaaaaaay better equity 3way than 77 i'm snapping AJs, 77 is really close you only have to beat one player with the different stack sizes involved but the opener raising from vry early postion..fold 77 call 88

hand2: whatever u do mincash >>>>>>>>>>> bubblin
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08-25-2010 , 04:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by p3rc4
It's dem pocket sebens tho! Does that mean you're folding AJs as well? I might consider tightening up my 10bb overcalling ranges, but I'm not liking it one bit.
^This. Pretty sure 77 is def a call. You're ahead of both of their ranges.
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08-25-2010 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by unrealzeal
AJs has waaaaaaaaaaay better equity 3way than 77 i'm snapping AJs, 77 is really close you only have to beat one player with the different stack sizes involved but the opener raising from vry early postion..fold 77 call 88

hand2: whatever u do mincash >>>>>>>>>>> bubblin
No. Pretty sure vs. their ranges it will have worse equity. Both of them probably have 22+ in their ranges.
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08-25-2010 , 05:25 PM
im not sure why everyone wants to fold hand 2, SAMenole is a mortal reg with a huge stack on the exact bubble, i firmly believe that he jams atc here given the stacks in the blinds. In fact i think we can even take out AA-KK as he would probably click those back pre given that the BB is a complete random. Yes i know blah blah blah balance, but sometimes vs randoms there is just no need.

so stoving this im getting 58%-42% so calling nets me +2100tc. Nearly 3 whole bbs, isn't that too large of an edge to pass on even considering icm?
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