Is my donk-bet turn shove a donkey move with some showdown value and draw equity? Villain is weak passive: 17/5 and zero 3-bets over 150 hands

stop making ****ty threads about your fish ways

lead otf

agree

what about the donk lead on the turn against passive villain?

I generally don't donk lead that often but I like the scare card, villain's tight-passiveness, and the fact that there are two less people to get through then there were when I called otf.

Villain's betsizing into 5 people otf does not scream monster to me.

lol the k is not a scary card

It doesn't hit my range but I think it's scary to this villain.

I just don't see what he folds that beats your hand. This is really terrible with these stack sizes. You had him on the flop that's why he folded.

A6, A5, 64, 76 maybe even 77. He's a passive beast (look at his stats) who could have been trying to make a baby stab on the flop with a one pair type of hand.

I don't think he's playing A6, A5, 46, 76 utg+2 if hes 17/5. He's a nit so he realizes calling a utg+1 open 20 bb's deep utg+2 with any of those hands is burning chips. When you shove the turn you are trying to rep a king. Any pair under a king is effectively the same thing in terms of bluff catching. I don't think he's folding a pair here. I think he just took a small stab at the pot and hoped it would get through.

17/5 does not scream to me total nit. It screams to me that he tries to get in to pots cheaply and only raises when he's strong. That's a pretty big gap between VPIP and PFR.

We are both just speculating here on what he would do with hand x. Neither of us can say for sure what he does with hand x. In my opinion I don't think he's folding a pair. Your opinion is clearly different and i don't think were coming to an agreement.

Maybe a couple of other posters can give some incite?

I don't think A6, A6, 46, 76 are in his range here being short stacked. Your sample also includes him having a deeper stack. Its pretty reasonable to assume he would be playing a lot tighter short stacked when he's 17/5 and would like to call a lot deep-stacked.

Fair point: I'll run his stats under 25BBs later tonight.

Looks like 85% of the hands I have with him are under 25BBs, so you can assume the 17/5 reflects how he is playing the short stack for the most part.

Don't lead the flop, just check shove vs a single bet.

Seems like burning money to c/jam tbh.
I don't mind pre unless we go crazy with 2nd pair no kicker.

I agree it's a funky line, but the call happened with two people left to act and this villain was oh so so so passive and showed weakness with flop bet IMO, so I don't think we can just say this is a "c/jam" without giving more context to it.

I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've taken this line in the past year.

Its a bad hand to post then since you will get ABC advice.

I read your sentence 3 times now and its confusing how you come to the conclusion that he missed and is most likely on high cards. Then you turn the best hand into a bluff and will get called by the Kx/sets he limps. If he is so passive he will not bet a worse hands than yours ott.
So IIIIIf pre and flop is fine I don't get the turn jam.

The hand is from a while back, but I think at the time based on history (there was a fair amount with villain in this tourney), is that his sizing was very indicative to me of a weakish one-pair type of hand (not true weakness, but a feeler bet), not high cards. I called OTF because the price was so good for gutshot, two pair and trips outs, particularly if those yet to act over-called, but I thought I was probably behind villain's range, who I thought was pretty capped at like A6, A5, 77, and 64 based on bet sizing and history. After I call and the two other villains fold, I think that the most likely way to win the hand is to turn the hand into a bluff and it will likely have to be a big one because I think the villain has something. I could have waited until river in retrospect but I thought he was weak enough that he would simply get scared of the K and fold.

Idn if he limps most if These hands from EP, if you have such specific reads put them in the OP next time.
And if his line screams weakness I don't mind c/jam as Greg said.
Your line is ok too but there are more bad turns than good turns for your hand so its hard to play OOP with shallow stacks

I supposed that would have worked as well in retrospect although there is always the possibility (albeit slim) that BB or UTG+1 were bladed.