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Old 12-25-2012, 03:35 PM   #1
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$163 limp pot OOP vs fish

2nd orbit. no specific reads on villain, but he's playing 50/30 so far and seems bad.

i think he has a big overpair less often than some would in this spot, and has more random junk, so i didn't want to take the betting lead away from him too soon, but needed to get chips in eventually.

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Full Tilt, 15/30 blinds No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
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SB: 2,960 (98.7 bb)
Hero (BB): 3,110 (103.7 bb)
UTG+2: 3,435 (114.5 bb)
MP1: 3,760 (125.3 bb)
MP2: 2,948 (98.3 bb)
MP3: 2,840 (94.7 bb)
CO: 2,890 (96.3 bb)
BTN: 3,745 (124.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T 9
UTG+2 calls 30, 6 folds, Hero checks

Flop: (75) T T 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets 60, Hero calls 60

Turn: (195) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets 90, Hero raises to 210, UTG+2 calls 120

River: (615) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets 765, UTG+2 .....
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Old 12-25-2012, 04:55 PM   #2
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Re: $163 limp pot OOP vs fish

Lets build that pot vs a fish when we're out of position and min c/r flop.
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Old 12-25-2012, 05:01 PM   #3
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Re: $163 limp pot OOP vs fish

followed by lead turn, or try to c/r again?
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Old 12-25-2012, 05:24 PM   #4
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Re: $163 limp pot OOP vs fish

c/r lead lead
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:16 PM   #5
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Lets build that pot vs a fish when we're out of position and min c/r flop.
If you want to build the pot, why min c/r?
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:24 AM   #6
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Re: $163 limp pot OOP vs fish

raise pre
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:24 AM   #7
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Re: $163 limp pot OOP vs fish

you think there're a lot of 4x in his range by the river and would you try to bluff him off it?
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If you want to build the pot, why min c/r?
Getting called close to all the time.
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Getting called close to all the time.
Right, but the hands he calls a c/minraise but folds to a larger raise, you aren't likely to get him to stack off with anyway.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:08 PM   #10
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Re: $163 limp pot OOP vs fish

Thoughts on leading flop so we are guaranteed to get a bet in if we see a turn, rather than relying on someone open limping in EP to stab?
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:13 PM   #11
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Thoughts on leading flop so we are guaranteed to get a bet in if we see a turn, rather than relying on someone open limping in EP to stab?
Limpers usually "cbet" against the BB, particularly on a dry flop like this. Depends on how bad he is. Also, you aren't going to make much against hands that he doesn't think are worth a "cbet" anyway.
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Right, but the hands he calls a c/minraise but folds to a larger raise, you aren't likely to get him to stack off with anyway.
He's much more likely to min3bet some hands as well.
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He's much more likely to min3bet some hands as well.
passive limper?
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Re: $163 limp pot OOP vs fish

he limped this time, but he seems like he can click any button at any time.
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:39 PM   #15
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passive limper?
Passive limper doesn't imply post flop passiveness at all.

So many times we'll make money with our value range is because they r/c TPWK or similar stuff that is overplayed.

Look at post flop aggresion, guys who have < 10% flop raise are v passive.
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