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07-11-2012, 05:00 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Oct 2009
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$16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
villain is running 48/38. with a 16.7% 3 bet. over 40 hands
I chose to 4 bet this hand since he has a v high 3b% hoping he will just fold or call with his trash. what range do we put him on when he 5 bets this size? should i have just flat the 3 bet?
i searched him and he was 1 tabling so likely a rec player.
Poker Stars, $15 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13497992
BB: 9,678 (24.2 bb)
UTG: 3,164 (7.9 bb)
MP: 18,316 (45.8 bb)
CO: 2,207 (5.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): 19,587 (49 bb)
SB: 27,595 (69 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with A  9 
3 folds, Hero raises to 840, SB raises to 1,600, BB folds, Hero raises to 3,700, SB raises to 5,800, Hero calls 2,100
Flop: (12,300) 4  8  K (2 players)
SB bets 10,000, Hero ?
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07-11-2012, 05:07 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: with the wind at our stern...
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Prob either flat the 3 bet in position or shove over his 5 bet
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07-11-2012, 05:12 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 168
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Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
why are we playing for stacks with A9 50bb deep when we could see a cheap flop and play from there?
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07-11-2012, 05:34 PM
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deviation of equilibrium
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Germany
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Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
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Originally Posted by ssnyc
Prob either flat the 3 bet in position or shove over his 5 bet
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yea 4b/f seems silly, and if we flat somewhere it should be vs the 3b.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mismo
why are we playing for stacks with A9 50bb deep when we could see a cheap flop and play from there?
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villain is running 48/38. with a 16.7% 3 bet.
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07-11-2012, 05:35 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,362
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Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
meh I might just fold to the 3bet. Against some I just float a cbet and take it away on the turn, however he looks like an aggro fish and aggro fish don't stop betting and b/c really wide so I wouldnt want to bluff shove over him much either. Give me a hand like QJs to flat with instead.
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07-11-2012, 06:15 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
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Originally Posted by gregz41
meh I might just fold to the 3bet. Against some I just float a cbet and take it away on the turn, however he looks like an aggro fish and aggro fish don't stop betting and b/c really wide so I wouldnt want to bluff shove over him much either. Give me a hand like QJs to flat with instead.
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why fold to his 3b when he has a v high 3b %? i dont get the logic
Last edited by wsopmichael; 07-11-2012 at 06:15 PM.
Reason: altho its a small sample its likely hes an aggro fish
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07-11-2012, 06:39 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,362
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Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
because A9o flops very poorly and we end up with middle pair and a vulnerable ace a lot.
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07-11-2012, 06:49 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,587
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Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
i flat 3bet/fold flop and take this guy to the cashier when i have a hand
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07-12-2012, 01:07 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
we have a hand. i'm endorsing a 6b shove pre with A9o, what a world
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07-12-2012, 05:05 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 168
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Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
people who are suggesting 4-betting pre, what % of the time do you think villain is folding? We have like, 42% equity against a 17% range, which does not suggest playing for stacks to me unless we think he's folding a lot. Are you super excited to play for stacks with A9o against a tight Hijack open? I would generally turn it into a bluff, but only against someone I thought was folding a decent amount.
If we knew villain slowplayed strong hands or was prone to 3b/folding or something stupid like that, then I'm way happier about getting very aggressive, but we don't know that from the OP. Also we're at a stack depth where when we're wrong, it hurts pretty badly (I'm much happier snapping 30bb in if I think I have FE, obviously)
Last edited by Mismo; 07-12-2012 at 05:11 PM.
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07-13-2012, 01:47 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
not sure how accurate his 3b % is, i.e. that is 1/6 hands or 2/12 not a big enough sample to go assuming he is 3b rampant.
given the positional dynamics, I dont think we can let this go here. i like a smaller 4b and a fold to 5b
Although I also think we can flat the 3b and float a lot of flop textures
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07-13-2012, 05:44 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
Of all the options, I wouldn't pick 4-bt/flat with a hand that doesn't play well postflop. Also, i would think a 1-tabler may not be 5-betting light.
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07-14-2012, 02:07 PM
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
Colorful pattern of replies.
Please correct if I`m wrong:
Good hand to 4b/f.
Jamming A9 over 5bet with these stacks is bad. Yes he`s 3betting wide with that positions which is std, but why do you he`s 5betting wide?
Flatting 5bet is very bad.
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07-14-2012, 02:24 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,312
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Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
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Originally Posted by betgo
Of all the options, I wouldn't pick 4-bt/flat with a hand that doesn't play well postflop. Also, i would think a 1-tabler may not be 5-betting light.
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agree with both parts of this. folding, flatting the 3b, 6b shoving, 4b/f all better than calling the 5bet and not sure you have reads to 6bet shove 50bbs profitably
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07-15-2012, 10:43 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,978
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Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish
yeah i played this hand v bad, 4b/f is the best play.
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