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Old 07-11-2012, 05:00 PM   #1
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$16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

villain is running 48/38. with a 16.7% 3 bet. over 40 hands

I chose to 4 bet this hand since he has a v high 3b% hoping he will just fold or call with his trash. what range do we put him on when he 5 bets this size? should i have just flat the 3 bet?

i searched him and he was 1 tabling so likely a rec player.



    Poker Stars, $15 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
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    BB: 9,678 (24.2 bb)
    UTG: 3,164 (7.9 bb)
    MP: 18,316 (45.8 bb)
    CO: 2,207 (5.5 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 19,587 (49 bb)
    SB: 27,595 (69 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 9
    3 folds, Hero raises to 840, SB raises to 1,600, BB folds, Hero raises to 3,700, SB raises to 5,800, Hero calls 2,100

    Flop: (12,300) 4 8 K (2 players)
    SB bets 10,000, Hero ?




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    Old 07-11-2012, 05:07 PM   #2
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    Prob either flat the 3 bet in position or shove over his 5 bet
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    Old 07-11-2012, 05:12 PM   #3
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    Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

    why are we playing for stacks with A9 50bb deep when we could see a cheap flop and play from there?
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    Old 07-11-2012, 05:34 PM   #4
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    Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

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    Prob either flat the 3 bet in position or shove over his 5 bet
    yea 4b/f seems silly, and if we flat somewhere it should be vs the 3b.

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    why are we playing for stacks with A9 50bb deep when we could see a cheap flop and play from there?
    villain is running 48/38. with a 16.7% 3 bet.
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    Old 07-11-2012, 05:35 PM   #5
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    Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

    meh I might just fold to the 3bet. Against some I just float a cbet and take it away on the turn, however he looks like an aggro fish and aggro fish don't stop betting and b/c really wide so I wouldnt want to bluff shove over him much either. Give me a hand like QJs to flat with instead.
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    Old 07-11-2012, 06:15 PM   #6
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    Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

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    meh I might just fold to the 3bet. Against some I just float a cbet and take it away on the turn, however he looks like an aggro fish and aggro fish don't stop betting and b/c really wide so I wouldnt want to bluff shove over him much either. Give me a hand like QJs to flat with instead.
    why fold to his 3b when he has a v high 3b %? i dont get the logic

    Last edited by wsopmichael; 07-11-2012 at 06:15 PM. Reason: altho its a small sample its likely hes an aggro fish
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    Old 07-11-2012, 06:39 PM   #7
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    Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

    because A9o flops very poorly and we end up with middle pair and a vulnerable ace a lot.
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    Old 07-11-2012, 06:49 PM   #8
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    Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

    i flat 3bet/fold flop and take this guy to the cashier when i have a hand
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    Old 07-12-2012, 01:07 PM   #9
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    Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

    we have a hand. i'm endorsing a 6b shove pre with A9o, what a world
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    Old 07-12-2012, 05:05 PM   #10
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    Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

    people who are suggesting 4-betting pre, what % of the time do you think villain is folding? We have like, 42% equity against a 17% range, which does not suggest playing for stacks to me unless we think he's folding a lot. Are you super excited to play for stacks with A9o against a tight Hijack open? I would generally turn it into a bluff, but only against someone I thought was folding a decent amount.

    If we knew villain slowplayed strong hands or was prone to 3b/folding or something stupid like that, then I'm way happier about getting very aggressive, but we don't know that from the OP. Also we're at a stack depth where when we're wrong, it hurts pretty badly (I'm much happier snapping 30bb in if I think I have FE, obviously)

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    Old 07-13-2012, 01:47 PM   #11
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    Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

    not sure how accurate his 3b % is, i.e. that is 1/6 hands or 2/12 not a big enough sample to go assuming he is 3b rampant.

    given the positional dynamics, I dont think we can let this go here. i like a smaller 4b and a fold to 5b
    Although I also think we can flat the 3b and float a lot of flop textures
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    Old 07-13-2012, 05:44 PM   #12
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    Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

    Of all the options, I wouldn't pick 4-bt/flat with a hand that doesn't play well postflop. Also, i would think a 1-tabler may not be 5-betting light.
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    Old 07-14-2012, 02:07 PM   #13
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    Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

    Colorful pattern of replies.
    Please correct if I`m wrong:

    Good hand to 4b/f.
    Jamming A9 over 5bet with these stacks is bad. Yes he`s 3betting wide with that positions which is std, but why do you he`s 5betting wide?

    Flatting 5bet is very bad.
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    Old 07-14-2012, 02:24 PM   #14
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    Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

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    Of all the options, I wouldn't pick 4-bt/flat with a hand that doesn't play well postflop. Also, i would think a 1-tabler may not be 5-betting light.
    agree with both parts of this. folding, flatting the 3b, 6b shoving, 4b/f all better than calling the 5bet and not sure you have reads to 6bet shove 50bbs profitably
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    Old 07-15-2012, 10:43 PM   #15
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    Re: $16.5 6 max facing a 5 bet vs a likely fish

    yeah i played this hand v bad, 4b/f is the best play.
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