So much different of a situation.

Not really trying to make any personal comments. But still waiting for you to come up w an answer to my previous questions. If u want to continue to debate the point that's fine otherwise I'm pretty much done w it

Pretty much everyone does it (including myself, though I'm trying to do it less). It just bothers me because it's almost assumed that everyone does it and so if you argue in a way where you just present facts and your opinion it comes off as much less compelling. When you can only argue effectively by distorting facts then the argument quickly becomes pointless.

To me it's like it stops being about discussing what is correct and more about trying to convince people that what you think is correct.

Really? In the 10r? They always seem to have it when I pull that ****.

V will have much much less than 35% w two to come

Haven't played a 10r in a long time, but in the random 27 ko turbos and stuff people seem to randomly click buttons a lot.

Interesting thread and discussion so far

I'd small c-bet/ fold. There are so many compelling arguments

Even something like a timing tell/ quality of the other players/ sharkscoping/ second look at more in depth stats could tip it into a b/c OTF imo

All my thoughts on each option seem somewhat valid and end with **** I don't know

ebet33 there is no debate. You can't even type coherently or calculate the pot size. I have no clue where you're coming up with a 70% c-bet size (hint: it's a lot closer to 50 than 60). You also have no concept of equity shares or having a r/f range with these stacks, especially vs a SB who is 3-betting 21% in an ICM loaded situation.

Having a "debate" with you would be more like a coaching session. You pretty much sound like every mediocre regular cliche x 4, except you're here posting condescending drivel to players who are way better than you. (yes I'm being condescending as well, can't help it here sorry).

Pre is fine.

I'm a little confused post on what our goal is. Are we c betting small to get him to fold better or call worse. Sorry to simplify it but I'm probably bet calling here and I am not sure I know why I am doing what I say I am doing.

Do we have an open into c bet/ fold range with our stack?

Think this is a common spot and good one to discuss

while it's possibly a bluff, i wouldn't suggest it's likely. tbh, i think he just decided to mess with your head and do something different knowing his 5x or 22 was a lock. ppl don't tend to make huge bluffs with air at this stage of a tournament for 1/3 stack.

but they do get creative and start playing in non-standard ways with lock hands hoping to confuse you and give you the illusion of FE - especially when your larger sizing gets you close to pot committed. (@ssync - think it's still a spot you can mr b/f, but the larger c-bet sizing may have led V to believe hero was committed).

there's a tiny chance he's spotted your large c-bet and thinks 'why so much? i'm gonna test you out here'. it's not beyond the realms of possibility (so c-bet sizing is somewhat relevant) but if the guy has played passively post and not tried any funky stuff up to this point, the funkiest i'd expect is some non-standard line with a lock hand trying to confuse you.

sry for being somewhat responsible early itt for derailing the intended discussion point - but it did seem to be a case of (i) dunno, soulread + (ii) why not check this down with the likely best hand against the most passive post flop player in the history of creation - or take a cheap pot against said passive with a small c-bet that he might read as 'inducing'.

either that or he outplayed you with a sick read and great bluff (evil)

I guess you wanted SB to 3bshove over your 15bb steal from button but instead got called by the guy that doesnt 3bshove 22+

I would still shove this pre. I doubt SB is gonna be overly aggressive with 11bb.to be 3bshoving light enough. He is probly calling shoves with something like A7s+, KJ+, 44+...Everything else hes folding.

Before you get C/r on flop i really have no clue what villian has. You probly have a better idea what his range is close to being.

As played is close between cbeting flop smaller or bettin most turns if checked.

Whats your image/stats/steal % like?

xaxaxa

The problem with this flop is the FD.Thats why i like checking the flop cause a big part of his flatting range is all sort of SCs and suited Broadways against which your hand plays best checking flop and calling a non flush turn.Rest of his range is either small pairs,a 5 or bunch of non pair hands so on balance i like checking flop against them as well.Make the flop dry and i like b/f if c/r.

Shove and let him brick his A3s/A4s. Although he could have 66+
MMM...
Interesting spot. U'v only got 10bb left and if villain is he decent player, he knows many player will fold. I think this is sum sort of a level c/r. If player is a decent reg w/ good mtt stats i would tank shove for sure. If not i would flip a coin and let the coin decide (shove - fold)

Took a couple days off this thread. Wanted to go to bbv and find a yu mad bro
Thought it was a good debate don't know why u got all, whatever it is that you got. Didn't feel like my posts were condescending...certainly didn't try to come off that way. Gl!