Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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SB: t28292 M = 26.94
BB: t8465 M = 8.06
Hero (UTG): t34672 M = 33.02
UTG+1: t4250 M = 4.05
UTG+2: t14895 M = 14.19
MP1: t29596 M = 28.19
MP2: t2604 M = 2.48
CO: t12375 M = 11.79
BTN: t19650 M = 18.71

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to t975, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises to t2735, 2 folds, CO raises to t12325 all in, 3 folds

I have a little history with the 3/b'er, but not sure it's useful here... we've played heaps of 45 turbos together and a handful of MTTs as well. He probably views me as a little spazzy with wider ranges than most. I don't feel like he's 3/b me here light too often if ever, but I do feel his value range will be wider than a randos vs me.

No idea who the cold 4/baller is.

Thoughts?

edit: 4/baller is displaying gold stars and all but snap jammed.

seems like a fold

stacks slightly different but similar action http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...qq-pre-389387/

id fold

snapfold

what the hell? it's 35bb effective. we have queens. get it in.

I think I would fold, even though its only 35BBs.

Well you need 40% which you basically have against KK+,AK so yeah don't fold

get it in all times

All in

Seems like a fold. The 4-better's range is basically {KK+,AK} and you still have to account for the 3-better. Given the positions of everyone involved it's hard to see him 3-betting hands like JJ/TT; if he's a thinking player, I would expect him to have a very strong range (like {KK+,AK}) mixed in with some stuff he can easily fold to a 4-bet shove.

I do realize it's only 35 BBs, but I could be wrong in thinking that you guys don't notice that it's UTG and UTG+2 getting snap cold 4'd on.

Probably not though. Lots of mixed responses. Would be great if some of you people that gave 1 line answers could maybe explain why?

Pretty much exactly this.

Oops somehow I didn't realise 3better was still to act. Probably a close fold actually because he will only call with KK+,AK and the 4betters range is likely close to KK+,AK itself

there is no way a random's cold 4-bet range in the 11r is that tight, it's more like TT+ AK, and the OP's read on the 3-bettor is: "I do feel his value range will be wider than a randos vs me" so he can definitely be 3-betting TT and JJ. this really doesn't seem like a good spot to be folding queens.

+1

4-bettor is a Goldstar (so a semi-regular) and instajammed. People with TT/JJ don't instajam. He's also more likely to be thinking than a random player, just based on volume.

If the 3-bettor is thinking enough to 3-bet wider for value he also has to realize that he can put himself up **** creek 3-betting hands like TT/JJ and exposing himself to a 4-bet (let alone all the people to act behind).

You make some good points and I think those factors are worth considering, but ultimately aren't quite enough for me. Then again, we still have like 50BB if we're wrong.

Just FTR I don't think 3/b is 3/b calling with TT here. I would assume his range is closer to JJ+/AK with a few random bluffs thrown in a very small % of the time.

Seems like no matter what thoughts are going to be mixed so it's pointless to draw this out imo.

I did end up folding and both villains had AK.