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02-07-2012, 08:51 PM
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veteran
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$11r, QJs, line check
OR is costarician, playing 16/14 (50 hands)
Overcaller is 20/6.
I`m 25/21/8 , was moderately active.
PartyGaming - $10+$1|400/800 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
BTN: 31,671.00
SB: 22,398.00
Hero (BB): 47,273.00
UTG: 52,403.00
UTG+1: 20,515.00
MP: 11,609.00
MP+1: 26,218.00
LP: 34,818.00
CO: 46,476.00
BTN posts ante 80.00, SB posts ante 80.00, Hero posts ante 80.00, UTG posts ante 80.00, UTG+1 posts ante 80.00, MP posts ante 80.00, MP+1 posts ante 80.00, LP posts ante 80.00, CO posts ante 80.00, SB posts SB 400.00, Hero posts BB 800.00
Pre Flop: (1920.00) Hero has J  Q
UTG raises to 1,600.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 1,600.00, fold, fold, Hero calls 800.00
Flop: (5920.00, 3 players) K  9  T
Hero checks, UTG bets 2,706.00, fold, Hero calls 2,706.00
Turn: (11332.00, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG bets 6,005.00, Hero raises to 14,444.00, UTG calls 8,439.00
River: (40220.00, 2 players) 5
Hero bets 11,111.00 (leaving 17k eff behind)
Villain was a bit spazzy and suspicious post-flop and overcaller was a fish, so I elected not to lead flop to keep his range wider and let him barrel turn and c/r him on a safe turn card. But board has paired....
He tanked after my c/r ott, considering his options and preferred to flat, I found that a bit suspicious. And now otr I think jamming would be bad bc TT,99 is some part of his range and since he`s spazzy I decided to give him a chance at least, betting river small repping block bet and probably turning my hand face up - it`s Kx or QJ.
Dunno it`s my last table and I`m feeling sleepy, but still w/ strong sense that I`ve misplayed this hand and look very bluffy otr.
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02-07-2012, 10:08 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
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Re: $11r, QJs, line check
I prefer c/raising this flop. No one folds to c/raises with a flush draw on board.
As played I like calling down and let him barrel, your c/raise now looks too strong.
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02-07-2012, 10:23 PM
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adept
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Re: $11r, QJs, line check
c/r flop, his cbet is pretty strong into two players on that texture and we rep a lot of stuff he might beat. c/c OTT as played and expect him to barrel river with a significant part of his turn barreling range. Shoving river as played since hes rarely folding after this line.
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02-07-2012, 10:44 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Feb 2012
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Re: $11r, QJs, line check
Wow get it in on the flop.
You have a lot of boats in your range, c/r the turn is bad.
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02-07-2012, 11:05 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: $11r, QJs, line check
Why didn't you shove the river? I think you get called almost as often shoving River as you do betting 11k...
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02-08-2012, 01:35 AM
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: GERMANY
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c/r flop
shove river
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02-08-2012, 02:02 AM
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See my coaching listing
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Re: $11r, QJs, line check
would lead 3,800. A lot of bad cards on turn to kill your action. People get confused by leads where as a check/raise looks really strong and good players could potentially get away from AK,KQ,KJ(not sure if they always c-bet those hands).
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02-08-2012, 08:08 AM
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veteran
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Re: $11r, QJs, line check
Ty for input.
This exact villain would still probably calls c/r otf w/ most of his range - Ak, AA, FD, sets. (maybe even QQ,JJ)
But still no one advocating c/r otf haven`t said what would be the plan on bad turn cards OOP.
I mean I didn`t want to c/r flop only to b/f turn.
I thought our equity ott is better than otf vs his FDs. Though I agree now, as played otf, I should c/c turn bc c/r on paired board ott make his continuing range made-hand heavy, which have me beat.
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02-08-2012, 10:12 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Aug 2010
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Re: $11r, QJs, line check
leadout flop its a bad idea?
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02-08-2012, 10:21 AM
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adept
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Re: $11r, QJs, line check
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Originally Posted by Elephants_pride
But still no one advocating c/r otf haven`t said what would be the plan on bad turn cards OOP.
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The worst turn card is like K  but w/e we can c/c turn if the board gets super-coordinated since we're only getting max one more street from worse anyway in that case. Wont be folding unless runout is super nasty
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02-08-2012, 10:42 AM
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veteran
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Re: $11r, QJs, line check
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Originally Posted by a_newbie
leadout flop its a bad idea?
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Generally good idea as Dude says.
But as I`ve said V was spazzy, so he could be cbetting even air 3 way.
And I don`t know how would he react to donk bet.
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02-08-2012, 12:39 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2010
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Re: $11r, QJs, line check
turn is brutal.
are you raise/calling? are you doing it for value or are you turning your hand into a bluff?
i think the turn raise is making this hand much harder to play and putting yourself in a spot where your lost...your overplaying your hand imo, yes you have a straight, but your repping much stronger...
hard to say what to do on river... i would check/call or jam
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02-08-2012, 01:01 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2010
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Re: $11r, QJs, line check
You mentioned that the villain was very spazzy so I think this is a great argument to donk the flop, especially with your moderately active image. As has been said previously, a C/R on this board texture at any point of the hand looks very strong. 3800 is on the high end of what I would suggest donking for though as I'm a fan of ~half pot here.
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02-08-2012, 01:05 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jul 2010
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Re: $11r, QJs, line check
quit poker
unreg pre
raise flop big
raise turn big
shove river
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02-08-2012, 01:05 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jul 2010
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Re: $11r, QJs, line check
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Originally Posted by blindhippo
turn is brutal.
are you raise/calling? are you doing it for value or are you turning your hand into a bluff?
i think the turn raise is making this hand much harder to play and putting yourself in a spot where your lost...your overplaying your hand imo, yes you have a straight, but your repping much stronger...
hard to say what to do on river... i would check/call or jam
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i like your avatar combined with your name but just lol
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