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snowboard789 · 07-31-2012, 12:59 PM

i think waiting for a diamond to hit to release is bad and u should charge the max anything else he has.

any t/q/k and diamonds can scare u ott and if 9 or A hits scare him etc

**ssnyc** · 07-31-2012, 01:47 PM

sigh...when you post as much as I do these hands all seem to remind me of hands and discussions past...

this brings to mind this hand...similar flop though I had a redraw

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...d-nuts-861378/

Elephants_pride · 07-31-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

sigh...when you post as much as I do these hands all seem to remind me of hands and discussions past...

this brings to mind this hand...similar flop though I had a redraw

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...d-nuts-861378/

I`ve already read it.

Why sigh? You, like others before you in this thread, were abstracted by that coloured icons and missed the point that I`m not asking what buttons to click when I`ve reached that beautiful flop.

I emphasize on pretty deep stacks we have here, ICM factor and significant edge I have amongst these pretty incompetent players.
As a pure strat thread this one worth nothing.

Your thread is very good, but it examines a bit different things and quality of players is certainly higher.

Frogman3 · 08-01-2012, 10:37 AM

You can't wait for the absolute nuts b4 you ever call off v spewfish or then you've just become a huge nit and therefore don't actually have an edge anymore . I think your line is fine , just calling his c/r on flop is lower variance as long as you're planning to get chips in on 75% of turns (K,Q or diamond would obv slow us down) and you ran into the top of his range where I'd expect AdX , KQ , KT , QT , KJ and QJ with flush draws etc

**furo** · 08-02-2012, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephants_pride

I`ve already read it.

Why sigh? You, like others before you in this thread, were abstracted by that coloured icons and missed the point that I`m not asking what buttons to click when I`ve reached that beautiful flop.

I emphasize on pretty deep stacks we have here, ICM factor and significant edge I have amongst these pretty incompetent players.
As a pure strat thread this one worth nothing.

Your thread is very good, but it examines a bit different things and quality of players is certainly higher.

so whats the question besides whether you should fold or call now?

besides the obv

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Originally Posted by timetowom

No he prolly called and villain had a flush or AJ with a diamond and free rolled. Now he is just whining and wants a way out

Elephants_pride · 08-02-2012, 08:55 AM

Running bad, Furo?
(Answers on your question are exactly in a post you`re quoting)

gregz41 · 08-02-2012, 09:29 AM

I find it strange that if you trully feel your edge is such that you don't need to stack off with this hand then why did you not plan for him getting stacks in by the river. If you weren't prepare to go with it for icm reasons then why didn't you fold the flop. What hands does he c/r the flop with and not get in by the river in blank run outs.

By the way, I still advocate stacking off on the flop.

Keenan · 08-02-2012, 09:32 AM

Flop call is fine.

Snap call vs this guy on the turn.

ReversedAngleShot · 08-02-2012, 11:31 AM

Ship and fade any diamond or worst case scenario paired rivers...

Keenan · 08-03-2012, 09:28 AM

Really hate shipping vs this opponent with our hand on the flop; We just let them play almost perfect.

BakinC00kies · 08-04-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephants_pride

Guys, you`re so smart, you anticipate all my thoughts.

Of course, it`s snap vs most players, unless they`re biggest nits.

For me it was perfect storm.
From one side it was the last chance to make a terrible sunday at least slightly profitable and I thought I won`t have problems with that being a big chipleader for 3 hours amongst that bunch of dolts.

And on the other, yes indeed, he had flopped flush with A4dd. But still the way he played it devastated me completely.
It`s not like the guy who rape you for 3 hours would call a jam ott with ton of worse, right.......... wtf that muppet thought about.

Though, I knew they`re bad and straight forward and probably not capable of taking so aggressive lines with draws (thread about A6 BvB is clear evidence -- no offense, just an example).

All that makes me think probably we could at least consider some different options when we have 1) big ICM factor and 2) having a great edge, still having pretty deep stack.

Elephants_pride · 08-04-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BakinC00kies

close

BurnzDK · 08-05-2012, 04:04 PM

Ul buddy you both hit the top of your ranges and his was a tad stronger than yours.
Folding a flopped straight in a 3-bet pot on that board is gonna cost you a ton of money.
Shove flop btw - he prob not folding a set or 2p anyway and a diamond could be an action killer.