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08-19-2012, 04:52 PM
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grinder
Join Date: May 2009
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
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Originally Posted by Elephants_pride
cmon... is it really abusive?
I`m ok with losing $22, but wondered whats the play here...
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$21*
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08-19-2012, 05:55 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
Meh, 3-betting flop doesn't seem like spew to me, at least not in this tournament, though I'm tempted to r/f.
Flop ranges EP gave are obv absurd. If those ranges are real you should clearly flat and c/f most turns.
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08-19-2012, 05:58 PM
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#18
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
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Originally Posted by PageUp
Flop ranges EP gave are obv absurd. If those ranges are real you should clearly flat and c/f most turns.
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You`re 2nd one who I offer to provide correct ranges for competent reg at this spot.
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08-19-2012, 06:01 PM
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#19
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
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Originally Posted by Elephants_pride
You`re 2nd one who I offer to provide correct ranges for competent reg at this spot.
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I put him on a range of more than the nuts and the second nuts
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08-19-2012, 06:05 PM
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
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Originally Posted by PageUp
I put him on a range of more than the nuts and the second nuts
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but I have Th and block most of his FD, JJ+ 3bets pre.
wtf do you want man.... I`m not in a mood I lost CLer stack in bigger $109 late..
POST RANGES........ and Ill laugh
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08-19-2012, 06:17 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
AQo, Q9s, 87hh, 76hh (he prob calls w/ more, include more heart combos, but let's say villain only raises a % of his heart combos), KxQh, AhKx, QhTx, QhQx (not all the time, but those time where they don't 3-bet, same for AhKx).
ffs, I dunno, I'm saying that all four combos you claimed don't even show up all the time (Q9o? really?), and there are other possibles. Even if villain does always have the potential to have, say, Q9o in this spot, the fact that he can have Q9o implies that he's calling w/ a wide enough range that he almost certainly has a range wider than just the nuts and second nuts.
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08-19-2012, 06:18 PM
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
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Originally Posted by PageUp
AQo, Q9s, 87hh, 76hh (he prob calls w/ more, include more heart combos, but let's say villain only raises a % of his heart combos), KxQh, AhKx, QhTx, QhQx (not all the time, but those time where they don't 3-bet, same for AhKx).
ffs, I dunno, I'm saying that all four combos you claimed don't even show up all the time (Q9o? really?), and there are other possibles. Even if villain does always have the potential to have, say, Q9o in this spot, the fact that he can have Q9o implies that he's calling w/ a wide enough range that he almost certainly has a range wider than just the nuts and second nuts.
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lol why on earth would c/r that bs when I cbet 3way that deeo pre-A?
nonsense....
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08-19-2012, 06:21 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
because some of those hands can't call profitably, so it makes sense to turn them into bluffs.
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08-19-2012, 07:08 PM
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banned
Join Date: Nov 2011
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
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Originally Posted by Elephants_pride
lol why on earth would c/r that bs when I cbet 3way that deeo pre-A?
nonsense....
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magic 8 ball again...
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08-19-2012, 08:57 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2010
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
call/call/fold on the river if the board does not pair and he shoves
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08-19-2012, 09:26 PM
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#26
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grinder
Join Date: Feb 2012
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
There is zero reason to believe villain's range is so narrow. I mean, what do we actually know here? We know he called a preflop raise in level 1 from the blinds. That's hardly evidence of a range that includes exactly the nuts or 2nd nuts.
Before even going into the range he could have...which is pretty extensive...I'd posit he could be at least semi-bluffing at least 25% here.
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08-19-2012, 10:14 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
there's no way raising is spew.
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08-20-2012, 05:42 AM
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adept
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
TJs, KTs and KJ are probably part of his range as well.
Btw. as the raisers value range is considered to be 2p+ and strong draws this would be surprisingly good bluff reraise+turn barrel spot for villain vs. reg. as our range is mostly one pair hands and there is tons of too weak drawing hands that could be turned to big bluffs. I quess we would fold most 2 pairs against turn barrel as well...
At least 79 and 89 without fd could balance c-r range(too weak to flat flop) and rr+barrel turn.
I would flat, because raising would let villain to fold 2 pair hands. Not sure if we have any good raise size that would make money vs. combo draws considering the times villain pushes strong range/folds 2 pairs vs. our raise.
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08-20-2012, 09:07 AM
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Re: $11c, quick check, vs gregt
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Originally Posted by Paklu
TJs, KTs and KJ are probably part of his range as well.
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Yes I guess Alienboy would support you, but he must be a dolt to c/r it so deep OOP. (unless he`s ready to play for 200bb otf)
Gregt, cmon, tell us what range do you think competent reg would c/r there...
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08-20-2012, 12:01 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Lol at this thread. A competent player is going to have a very narrow range in this spot. Q9o? Lol no chance. A competent player semi bluffing here? No way
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