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Old 07-18-2012, 03:39 AM   #1
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11 rebuy FT bubble..crippled by bluff, thoughts?

utg opened very wide, lots of trash. aggro pf too. This was 13 left or so in the 11 rebuy and i decide to run a bluff, is it even any good? worth it at this point? sometimes I can't resist against really loose players. Thoughts? TY!

in before..fold>3bet/fold>bluff

    Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (1,500/3,000 blinds, 300 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13541762

    SB: 158,915 (53 bb)
    Hero (BB): 105,188 (35.1 bb)
    MP1: 92,074 (30.7 bb)
    MP2: 128,845 (42.9 bb)
    MP3: 23,329 (7.8 bb)
    CO: 49,581 (16.5 bb)
    BTN: 194,192 (64.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A 5
    MP1 raises to 6,000, 5 folds, Hero calls 3,000

    Flop: (15,600) Q 3 Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP1 checks

    Turn: (15,600) T (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP1 bets 5,600, Hero raises to 13,500, MP1 calls 7,900

    River: (42,600) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets 19,500, MP1 calls 19,500

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    Old 07-18-2012, 03:44 AM   #2
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    Re: 11 rebuy FT bubble..crippled by bluff, thoughts?

    fold pre, if he folds to 3bets, 3bet/fold pre

    bluff is v.bad vs any thinking/stationy/egotestical player + he could easily have Qx here when he x/b somewhat cbettable flop. Also his line indicates he may have a read on you to possibly being inclined to make moves. so info on your image would also be relevant. But personally I call you down here with 99.

    don't post results please

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    Old 07-18-2012, 04:24 AM   #3
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    Re: 11 rebuy FT bubble..crippled by bluff, thoughts?

    Villain's f 3b%? If its high, 15775/f pre. Flatting is redic bad. Give up river vs aggro station/over shove.
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    Old 07-18-2012, 08:20 AM   #4
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    Re: 11 rebuy FT bubble..crippled by bluff, thoughts?

    I don't mind bluffing like you did, but much prefer doing so when he cbets the flop as the likelihood he holds a Q in his hand drops substantially (would check almost always). If he calls the c/r OTF then I tend to keep firing until I get a fold OTT or OTR, which feels (assuming enough chips on both parts) at least 90% effective by the river. Lastly, by playing this way on the flop bets it gives us a 3rd opportunity to barrel and bluff as opposed to just 2 when we take this line startig OTT.
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    Old 07-18-2012, 08:28 AM   #5
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    Re: 11 rebuy FT bubble..crippled by bluff, thoughts?

    first up, kudos for running a bluff at this stage. FE at it's highest leading up to FT bubble, and this is no exception. get aggro.

    that said, there were two better spots to get aggressive:

    1. light 3bet from BB ~16789
    2. lead flop

    as played, you tell a reasonable story ott, but he's not buying it and calls. don't bluff an amt that he has to call (given his turn b/c). either give up, or make it larger and really put him to the test. ~31K. biggest mistake people make with bluffs is to get half hearted about it. grab your kudos and bluff large.

    oh...and don't post results
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    Old 07-18-2012, 08:34 AM   #6
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    Re: 11 rebuy FT bubble..crippled by bluff, thoughts?

    when villain checks back flop I doubt he's likely to be folding much

    he's opened UTG and you've called a rag ace out of the BB to a villain who's aggro post
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    Old 07-18-2012, 08:57 AM   #7
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    Re: 11 rebuy FT bubble..crippled by bluff, thoughts?

    pre is meh, post should work quite enough, prolly just increase river sizing a bit
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    Old 07-18-2012, 08:58 AM   #8
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    pre is meh, post should work quite enough, prolly just increase river sizing a bit
    agrro villain opens and checks back qqx don't expect many folds on the turn or river
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    Old 07-18-2012, 09:11 AM   #9
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    aggro pre does not mean that he is bad post, might be 4sure - but not necessarily. you get a checkraise some on paired flops which is freakin irritating and here he might just make a delayed cbet with some AT hand, which is good often without having to cbet and be vulnerable to rebluffs. mid pairs or AK might call the turn raise. we rep nicely ourselves also here. just like 27888 otr. im not saying that this is a superb bluff, but certainly not the worst.
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    Old 07-18-2012, 09:14 AM   #10
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    Re: 11 rebuy FT bubble..crippled by bluff, thoughts?

    3 bet fold pre
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    Old 07-18-2012, 09:18 AM   #11
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    aggro pre does not mean that he is bad post, might be 4sure - but not necessarily. you get a checkraise some on paired flops which is freakin irritating and here he might just make a delayed cbet with some AT hand, which is good often without having to cbet and be vulnerable to rebluffs. mid pairs or AK might call the turn raise. we rep nicely ourselves also here. just like 27888 otr. im not saying that this is a superb bluff, but certainly not the worst.
    agrro post as well and you think he's folding turn after checking flop

    it's also part of the reason it's a **** hand to flat oop
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    Old 07-18-2012, 09:23 AM   #12
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    Re: 11 rebuy FT bubble..crippled by bluff, thoughts?

    no, i do not think he folds the turn easily to a small checkraise, hence the river barrel. he might even float the turn. i agree, A5 oop is vamoo to flat with, but it gets better if u plan on doing shananagans like this one.
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    Old 07-18-2012, 09:42 AM   #13
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    Re: 11 rebuy FT bubble..crippled by bluff, thoughts?

    if he's good you rep nothing and this is spew
    if he's bad you need to up your sizing to get the bluff through
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    Old 07-18-2012, 09:55 AM   #14
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    Re: 11 rebuy FT bubble..crippled by bluff, thoughts?

    Indeed, what is with the trend of betting so small these days. He's getting over 3 to 1 on a call.

    Just fold pre.
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    Old 07-18-2012, 02:27 PM   #15
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    Re: 11 rebuy FT bubble..crippled by bluff, thoughts?

    think i'd bet the turn myself, i dont see what you rep here besides the blade. he can call down easily with every pair vs half pot bets, maybe even with Ahigh
    pre is ok sometimes, i'd mostly 3b or fold
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