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 08-10-2012, 05:40 PM #16 old hand     Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,587 Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55 any not very scary board without an Ace boards i would c/r if i was deeper mainly
 08-10-2012, 09:56 PM #17 veteran     Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Hot \$2 & Hot \$4 Champion Posts: 2,858 Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55 I gave Villain ~32% with a 6.3% calling range {77+,AJs, AQo} That means 80% of the time he folds and we win the 600 uncontested, the other 20% of the time we lose 1132 given our equity when he calls I think the answer is: 80%(600) - 20%(1132) = 253 or ~1.7BBs. Can someone tell me if that's right?
 08-10-2012, 10:09 PM #18 veteran   Join Date: May 2011 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 2,189 Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55 auto 3b shove. post-ante is a +2.2bb shove if villain is opening 50% and call top 8% or sth i have done the maths
08-11-2012, 06:19 AM   #19
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Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55

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 Originally Posted by V-Delaney I gave Villain ~32% with a 6.3% calling range {77+,AJs, AQo} That means 80% of the time he folds and we win the 600 uncontested, the other 20% of the time we lose 1132 given our equity when he calls I think the answer is: 80%(600) - 20%(1132) = 253 or ~1.7BBs. Can someone tell me if that's right?
no thats not right, when i get home i'll correct it. Also, you need to account for the times the BB wakes up with a hand

 08-11-2012, 06:39 AM #20 grinder   Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 580 Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55 Id rather fold than call and setmine oop... Preante it's close, I could find a fold yes, but I could also find some balls and shove this.
 08-11-2012, 07:33 AM #21 old hand   Join Date: May 2012 Location: late reggae somewhere Posts: 1,300 Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55 happy jam, don't set mine
 08-11-2012, 08:04 AM #22 veteran     Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,869 Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55 fold.
 08-11-2012, 08:41 AM #23 Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: yo no soy por aqui Posts: 15,804 Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55 He needs to fold about 70% of the time for a jam to break even. I think your calling range is good but kind of a tough spot without a decent idea of his opening range. I'd probably fold readless and jam if I thought he could be opening a decent amount here.
 08-11-2012, 09:00 AM #24 banned     Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 5,043 thank u Cody. also dont like it much vs random in any somewhat impprtant toirney for me. and yes folding > calling
 08-11-2012, 11:02 AM #25 enthusiast   Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 83 Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55 At first I was thinking about just smooth calling and mining for the set, but there are a ton of flops that would not be in your favor and he would most likely gain control of the hand. For the same reason, I do not like a 3 bet. This is a tricky spot, but I am going to go with a shove. Villain being on the button, I dont think he is too terribly strong, I dont think he has AA,KK, etc, and is probably just playing the posistion.
 08-11-2012, 11:49 AM #26 newbie   Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 26 Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55 what setmine? U are against weak range. Just ship it dont make your life harded than it could be.
08-11-2012, 12:15 PM   #27
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Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55

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 Originally Posted by CBorders He needs to fold about 70% of the time for a jam to break even. I think your calling range is good but kind of a tough spot without a decent idea of his opening range. I'd probably fold readless and jam if I thought he could be opening a decent amount here.
70 isn't a lot. And the rest were flipping.

 08-11-2012, 06:42 PM #28 journeyman     Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Escazu, Costa Rica Posts: 378 Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55 easy and standard jam
08-11-2012, 11:08 PM   #29
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Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55

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 Originally Posted by CBorders He needs to fold about 70% of the time for a jam to break even. I think your calling range is good but kind of a tough spot without a decent idea of his opening range. I'd probably fold readless and jam if I thought he could be opening a decent amount here.
I'm in Cborders boat here. Especially if our edge against the table is fairly big, which I would assume it would be.

08-12-2012, 02:08 PM   #30
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Re: \$11 6k - Pre spot with 55

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 Originally Posted by timetowom 70 isn't a lot. And the rest were flipping.
We don't know if 70% is a lot or not for this guy because he's an unknown and we have no history with him. Even if we were 100% confident that he was folding 70%, that wouldn't make jamming good because 70% is the break even point, and we're not looking to make break even plays. I don't think some random villain in an \$11fo is opening so wide that we can assume jamming is best.

It's also interesting that so many are advocating a jam here, but if hero had ~35bb with an ante in play they'd crucify you for suggesting a jam even though they are effectively the same thing.

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