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09-29-2013 , 05:38 PM

zanardi1

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,589

Villain is running 37/13/8 in 50 hams with 1.5 AF.
Do we raise river or just flat??

No Limit Holdem Tournament
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9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$10+$1

Stacks:
UTG (6,740) 42bb
UTG+1 (11,073) 69bb
MP1 (4,190) 26bb
MP2 (10,000) 63bb
MP3 (6,082) 38bb
CO (17,506) 109bb
Hero (BTN) (29,668) 185bb
SB (8,489) 53bb
BB (18,045) 113bb

Blinds: 80/160 Ante 30

Pre-Flop: (510, 9 players) Hero is BTN Q

6 folds, Hero raises to 320, SB calls 240, BB calls 160

Flop: 10

(1,230, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: A

(1,230, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 689, SB folds, BB calls 689

River: K

(2,608, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1,898, BB raises to 3,796, Hero???

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09-29-2013 , 06:01 PM

shichibukai

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call you hand is underep.

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09-29-2013 , 06:15 PM

zanardi1

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Originally Posted by shichibukai

call you hand is underep.

Was asking wether was any value in 3b river against a presumably fishy opponent.

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09-29-2013 , 06:23 PM

shichibukai

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Originally Posted by zanardi1

Was asking wether was any value in 3b river against a presumably fishy opponent.

as always i read half 3d
i think without specific read is fine only call

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09-30-2013 , 02:59 AM

Finnera

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id start with betting the flop, no point to 3bet jam river, calling is also borderline, but its so small and some trips and QJ (lol) might do it

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09-30-2013 , 02:00 PM

WashUrHandsPlz

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you check flop, but look for value in such thin spot.....

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09-30-2013 , 03:11 PM

zanardi1

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Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz

you check flop, but look for value in such thin spot.....

Im tryng to assign which boats will he play this way and none makes me sense, the same for the nutflush. I dont know if i posted ob the OP but believe villain is bad.

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09-30-2013 , 03:31 PM

bikram

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I would bet flop and call river as played. Agree with shibi that hand is under-repped. Agree with you that FHs make no sense here from a rational perspective, although I do see bad villains trying to play monster super super slow, which is a possibility here if you think villain's that bad, so perhaps villain is boated, but I'm not feeling it, but enough of a possibility not to 3-bet.

C-betting a paired board as the initial raiser with this much equity but no showdown value on flop seems like a no-brainer to me.

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09-30-2013 , 03:32 PM

WashUrHandsPlz

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actually 3betting river might be not bad considering his stats and the fact he`s on bb.
He has lots of worse flushes in his range and some 2p which he`d have hard time to fold given your perception of his skill level.

but bet flop anyway.
I agree not many boats in his range and he still has more trips than boats he could play like that.

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09-30-2013 , 04:09 PM

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Neepohrl

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shove river

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10-01-2013 , 03:47 AM

#11

furo

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I have a hard time giving him any better hands than yours but since he is a donkt he can have alot of them so just call

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10-01-2013 , 12:14 PM

#12

Economos

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River raise seems way to thin against a donk. I agree that a raise looks pretty bluffy here but I dont think your average 10r player picks up on that. I don't think he's calling enough for it to balance out the times he slowplays better hands.

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10-01-2013 , 04:02 PM

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johall111

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im not able to break this hand down very well atm but i count 11 possible boats(A3 K3s TT) that fish COULD play this way if we discount down to 6 of those combos and add all suited Ks we have 14 combos that beat us i think. i doubt villain raise/calls w that many weaker combos so at a glance i call river

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10-01-2013 , 04:43 PM

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NimhOfJoy

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This is actually a pretty good line from villain if he's got a boat. Small sizing suggests he's not trying to draw a fold, but I guess he could play flushes like this - though the turn c/c is a little weird.

I'm not folding - I think a 3b is far too thin.

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10-01-2013 , 05:18 PM

#15

Sven2812

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ship, he has QJ with Js

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10-02-2013 , 07:51 AM

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Rowniwn

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Definitely always bet the flop. He doesnt have this many boats in his range and all worse flushes, some 3s and maybe QJ, so even tho I'd just click call in game jamming might be better.

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