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9 turbo, 2 preflop spot 9 turbo, 2 preflop spot

09-03-2013 , 06:16 PM
Opener is a SNE running 30/29 in 90 hands. Flatter is a randm running 21/14/0 in 40 hands. Shover is 16/14/14 in 40 hands.

No Limit Holdem Tournament
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8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$100+$9

Stacks:
UTG (3,974) 16bb
UTG+1 (4,015) 16bb
MP1 (1,975) 8bb
Hero (MP2) (4,400) 18bb
CO (5,882) 24bb
BTN (2,688) 11bb
SB (2,175) 9bb
BB (9,326) 37bb

Blinds: 125/250 Ante 30

Pre-Flop: (615, 8 players) Hero is MP2 A Q
UTG raises to 500, UTG+1 calls 500, MP1 goes all-in 1,945,Hero???


No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$100+$9

Stacks:
UTG (7,065) 24bb
UTG+1 (4,073) 14bb
Hero (MP1) (4,360) 15bb
MP2 (4,757) 16bb
MP3 (1,517) 5bb
CO (11,322) 38bb
BTN (4,035) 13bb
SB (7,341) 24bb
BB (5,697) 19bb

Blinds: 150/300 Ante 40

Pre-Flop: (810, 9 players) Hero is MP1 10 10
UTG raises to 755, UTG+1 goes all-in 4,033, Hero???

Opener is same flatter in hand #1 and shover is Pesagno.

Thx in advance!
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09-03-2013 , 06:53 PM
Both are bottom of my range reshoves for me
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09-03-2013 , 07:07 PM
subscribed.
1st is obv villain dependent, some OPR could help.
But readless I think both are easy folds.
JJ/AK in both.
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09-03-2013 , 09:54 PM
never folding either
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09-04-2013 , 12:03 AM
I think 1's a fold and 2 is extremely close, guess I prefer calling more.

Last edited by tboneparte; 09-04-2013 at 12:12 AM.
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09-04-2013 , 02:24 AM
1st fold
2nd reshove
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09-04-2013 , 03:17 AM
In H1, if opener has been playing 30/29 while on this kind of stack, he's probably opening wider than he should in this spot; which means we're gonna get it HU vs the reshover with a bajillion dead T$ on the side more often than you'd expect (or with better equity than you'd expect in a 3-way pot).
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09-04-2013 , 03:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pablito_21
In H1, if opener has been playing 30/29 while on this kind of stack, he's probably opening wider than he should in this spot; which means we're gonna get it HU vs the reshover with a bajillion dead T$ on the side more often than you'd expect (or with better equity than you'd expect in a 3-way pot).
but there s a lot of % that utg +1 is trapping here
if utg+1 is a random im with


ot @pablito21 is pablito 2121 your nick on star??
sometimes i use to rail
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09-04-2013 , 03:29 AM
flatter is a random
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09-04-2013 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pablito_21
flatter is a random
sometimes i need to read the all post
btw utg seems pretty competent and the stats imo are useless (90 hands)
i prefer to fold
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09-04-2013 , 04:15 AM
interesting spots, I'm trying to find a fold with both.
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09-04-2013 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by shichibukai
sometimes i need to read the all post
btw utg seems pretty competent and the stats imo are useless (90 hands)
i prefer to fold
When some reg is 40/10 with 0% 3b in the early stages of a deep stacked mtt, people will incorrectly label him as a loose passive fish, while he's probably just flatting a lot of playable hands in position vs weaker opposition, but here 90 hands wouldn't be enough?? It is close to impossible that someone who plays over 30 hands in 10 orbits at these stack depths is actually a 16/14 or something like that.
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09-04-2013 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by shichibukai
1st fold
2nd reshove
+1

1st is a clear fold imo
2nd is a reshove and be happy spot
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09-04-2013 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by pablito_21
When some reg is 40/10 with 0% 3b in the early stages of a deep stacked mtt, people will incorrectly label him as a loose passive fish, while he's probably just flatting a lot of playable hands in position vs weaker opposition, but here 90 hands wouldn't be enough?? It is close to impossible that someone who plays over 30 hands in 10 orbits at these stack depths is actually a 16/14 or something like that.
dunno maybe is just stealing from late maybe was deeper before
we dont have enough info
this is a turbo the dynamics change pretty fast
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09-04-2013 , 07:29 AM
Yeah both are bottom range reshoves for me too pabltio
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09-04-2013 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by lissistinkt
Yeah both are bottom range reshoves for me too pabltio
Yes bottom of shoving range > top of folding range.
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09-05-2013 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by nhilathak
+1

1st is a clear fold imo
2nd is a reshove and be happy spot
+2
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