Well said, sir. I missed this earlier. Thx.

There are three problems here.

1) We have a limper. With no other knowledge we should at least be a little suspicious that he has a big hand.

2) The pre-flop raise is to 2400. This is ridiculously small for a raise with a limper. Now its true this is a $25 entry tourney and we can expect some awfulness but it looks like an enticement raise.

3) We will always be out of position with TT unless we get Limper & BTN to fold pre-flop. So given that I think BTN has a huge hand I doubt we are ever getting him to fold. Is it worth inflating the pot OOP to get it HU? I wouldn't. Especially when set mining...

If I raised (and I would probably call to see what limper does behind) I would make it 6000. And if BTN makes it 10,000/11,000 it would confirm what I suspected (AA/KK). I would call that looking for a set and likely c/f the flop.

Your bet to see where you are on the flop won't tell you where you are on the flop against anyone decent.

If you had just called the 2400 and checked the flop you get to call his flop bet and see limper fold. Many people will check back the turn with AK/AQ/AJ type hands so you find out mostly about the bigger PP on the turn. Costs much less...

What's the range of hands we are putting the BTN on here with no additional information on his/her play after a min-raise of a single limper? Let's answer that question first, I'm curious as to what everyone comes up with.

A 3-4% 4bet range? Lol.

This thread has been very helpful. Thanks for all the comments.

As to the limper -- based on what I recall from the table I gave the limper a huge range, but since he folded he was out of the picture. I did want him out and the 3-bet accomplished that, but could have been lighter and still gotten him to fold.

Don't be so allergic to playing post.. 3b sizing is horrid.. leading flop is insanely horrid...

Why does everyone want to 3b/f this hand? Cuz we are OOP? who cares? we have a really strong hand and we can play it post 3 ways... we don't "raise for info" we don't "lead for info" we are gonna get crushed doing this... say we flat pre for 2400 and then we c/c the flop and we go HU to the turn.. we can call the turn again and now we've arrived at the river for roughly the same amount of chips and often we get to showdown our hand as a winner.. (or turn or river a 10)

What did you think you would accomplish by donking real small? Who the hell isn't just going to jam over ur weak lead?

I don't like 3b/f this hand and ppl play so horrid post on WSOP that they are just gonna tell us how their hand is (which is what you did with your hand)

Stacks are great for us to play a 3 way pot here with good implied odds on a double up here. We are probably getting to see this flop for 1200 more. Low-risk/high reward. There's a time and a place to 3 bet TT, but I don't feel that this is one of them. We need some evidence that our BTN mini-raiser will fold a pretty large majority of the time to make 3b preflop OOP with deep stacks correct. I would also like to have a decent read on my opponents. If we do 3b, it needs to be a lot smaller than 12.4k.

I think BTN would generally have a stronger than normal range here to open as well and he could easily decide to play this pot for your stack IN position with a wider range of hands should Hero choose to bloat it OOP (which is what he did). It's too easy to blow half your stack and end up losing here (which is exactly what Hero did) and the reward for getting everyone to fold here isn't quite worth the risk yet when we have a very workable stack.

it's a minraise vs a limper from the button, we are 3betting for value clearly vs a limper iso range that is fairly wide. Playing TT OOP in a multiway pot is going to be really painful and we might very often have to fold the best hand (due to the limper raising some draw or two overcards coming etc) and basically lose our equity. Even on completely safe runouts such as this we can definitely get pushed off our hand since it's face up. Also, we'll have to be guessing A LOT on our decisions so hello high variance. I never said we should 3bet for "info".

I might flat vs total fish or very straightforward players but since no reads are provided, I just don't see us playing TT oop (we don't even have relative position) 3way profitably at all.

Your 3bet is way to big then your flop lead is way to small and couldve easily have induced a spazz