About 350 left in Main Event. Been at table for approximately 1 level. Villain has 3bet hero 2 previous times; hero folded both. Villain has also 3bet others at least 3 other occasions since I have been at table; none of which have gone to show down. Have seen him check back flop with top pair and call turn, river bets with Ax on A board. Hero has also 3bet early opens 3 times and won post flop only showing down AAs. No other significant hands between hero and villain. Villain is mid 20s with hoody and sunglasses from Canada (French). Hero is mid 40s with wide brim sun hat.

Blinds- 8/16K 2Kante
Villain- 2.1m
Hero- 1.05m

Hero opens HJ with AKdd to 35K. Villain 3bets from button to 100K (level just changed but seems to be similar 3 bets sizing as previous hands in this position). Hero calls 3bet.

4B/call is an option but choose to flat given history and hand strength. Range for villain- Ax, Pairs 10s and up, AQo+, plus some other suited connectors and big cards. A9-AJ type hands plus mid pairs and a lot of SCs I expect flat more than raise pre.

Flop (240K) 10c, 4s, 3s
Hero Checks, Villain bets 105K (within 30 sec), Hero Calls

Turn (450K) 4h
Check, Check (within 30 sec)

River (450K) 2h
Hero Checks, Villain takes about 1 min to 90sec. Rises from seat to get an accurate count of hero chip stack goes all in for about 850k effective. Hero?

Open to discussions on each street. Thanks

Barf

Probably 4bet pre

def 4b pre and gii

as played, tank call and hopes he shows up with A/worse kicker

i guess id just fold flop without the bdfd honestly and rather call hands like QJcc. it doesn't even seem that much of a nitfold when we dont seem to have a 4betting range pre at all, so we can have a lot of better hands to x/c flop with. river seems like a trivial fold, we dont have to call too many hands against huge overbets and ace high shouldnt rly fall into that category either.

Super easy 4b
225k-275k/call cmon yo

Solid post

problem with being in your 40s is you can't 4b/c this hand profitably
wouldn't you just love to be in your 20s again!

jokes aside I think you should 4b, you allow him to get away with aggressive 3betting when you just flat here and getting to see a flop IP with lot of ability to put pressure on your stack size post.

I play it same otherwise, folding river. You haven't really given us info to suggest river should be a call, so I guess thread is more geared toward preflop decision? His line is reasonable with his Tx stuff trying to get you to station 55-99 w/an aggro image, so I don't think it's reasonable to call off here unless reads suggest strongly otherwise.

4bet pre, as played i would tank-fold flop because i am a nit, def folding river with over 50bbs still behind and alot of spots to come, the main is deep af

snap call river

This wtf can he have

I think the river is a fold. Whether you call the river or not is very dependent on a read. You really have the bottom of your range here.

As to people who are saying 4 bet pre, yeah sometimes it's good, but sometimes you just call the 3 bet. I think people are being to results oriented.

Not sure why OP thinks mid pairs are not part of V's range here. 3! a hi-jack open from the button is usually lighter than 3! an earlier position open. The wider V's range the more I am inclined to fold. If you can eliminate pairs below T and worse Ax, then really WTF does he value bluff on the river?

Vs this villains 3b strategy 4b is always going to be a higher ev line


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I think TT/44/33/A5s/22/65s can all be in his range. Obv discount 44/33/22/65s but those are certainly 3-bet sometimes, especially in position by a younger guy vs a 40 year old. I think hero's range here looks stronger than his actual holding, and hero can have QQ/JJ or some higher middle pairs like 99/88. The board bricked out the flush draw, the river shove looks bluffy and weird, my gut just feels like villian can be super nutted and knows on this board he can get hero'd.

Not really advocating a fold or call, a call is certainly in play, but I can definitely see nutted combos in villian's range.

I think I'd like flatting pre better IP and will generally 4-bet OOP, but I don't think it's that huge of an issue either way.

Flop is somewhat close. I can see folding being ok because AK without any draws is really towards the bottom of our 3-bet call range, but if we think villain is the type to fire at any board it's ok to peel.

Because of that, I think river is an easy fold because it is one of the worst hands we should have. It's bad enough that it's closer to being a hand we'd consider bluffing or blocking with. It doesn't block any draws and if villain wants to hero with his own A-high there's a minuscule change we could actually win the pot. Not saying I would do that, but I'm saying it's a bad enough hand relative to our entire range that it's closer to a bluffing hand than a calling hand.

Stack size is perfect for a 4bet/shove. Raise to 320k & jam flop no matter what.

Villian could have any of the nut hands here, 1010/44/33/22 are all possible and would be played the same way. If he filled up on the turn his check makes sense to allow you to catch up in some fashion. The river shove is just for max value.

I find it hard to believe any mid-pair is going to turn a great show-down hand into a massive bluff so it seems extremely unlikely he has 55-99. JJ-KK is probably cbetting bigger and/or betting the turn so those seem extremely unlikely as well.

His range seems to be either nutted or crazy shove bluff. This comes down to a person-dependent read. If he's been playing wild and 3betting a ton it could be a call. If I'm getting super strong vibes I probably fold. You still have 800k left at 8k/16k and calling off your chips is a crappy way to bust. I'd lean towards fold.

Some good comments here. Thanks. WRT to the 4bet discussion; I would say that my impression of villain is that he is not going to tool out when I put in a 4bet. Given history, stage in the tourney, and his current position, his continuing range to a 4bet would be very limited; not saying 4betting is not the best line nor that I wouldn't some of the time go with the 4bet with my value hands (probably my line with AKo) but the few times we do get shoved on we're not happy about it.

With that in mind, my 4bet range at that exact moment included mostly weak holdings that I would not call a 3bet with plus a couple of value hands (AKo, maybe KK/QQ). Hands I would be looking to 4bet/F would include most other Ax hands that I may have opened (prepared to 4bet), maybe some small pairs, and some face card hands like KJ, K10, Q10, etc. Understand that it was a pretty unbalanced strategy but villain does not know this plus we have only one more level in the night before break.

this guy has 3b you twice already and you folded both times, you're going to have to take a stand or he's going to keep running you over (i understand there's only a level left in the night but still), you're crushing his 3b range, get the money in

i don't completely agree that his continuing range is going to be limited given that it's his 6th 3b this level and he's on the button, his hand looks like it's full of sh*t and he should know we know this

AKs HJ vs BTN against described villain is super fist pump imo

his river line looks like A5s or nothing tbh, i imagine TT/boats would bet small on turn to make shoving easier on river
is villain really going to jam 2x pot on river with air though?

on second thought i wouldn't be completely surprised to see villain 2x shoving river with QQ+ because we should never have that beat

Good points. When i flat AKs in this spot it is for deception and value thinking villain rarely continues if I 4bet not because I'm worried about having to call a shove. That being said, AKs or AKo is probably the perfect hands to 4bet here; blockers to the big hands plus a hand I'm not folding.

As far as the river shove, A5s and A5o, and maybe 44s (I think any Ax may be in his range pre) are the only hands that make sense for value.

Forgot to mention earlier - AK is not necessarily a hand you want to trap/go for deception especially out of position against a tough opponent, you're gonna brick the flop the majority of the time and be put in tough spots post. With that being said, I usually size up my 3b with AK unless I know he's gonna come over the top, I don't really wanna give him a good price to peel unless stacks are shallow. Just get the money in pre


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Been said, but this is an obv and clear 4bet pre given history and position. You can talk yourself out of it in the main day 4, but it's a misstep to flat.

That said, for that same reason (that he will have a lot of Ace-blocking rag/wheel hands), I think it's a fold on the river. I think he can have plenty of A4, A5 kind of junk --which is why of course we should be mauling him preflop

Pretty sure u can (if u r donning a wide brim sun hat) tho. You young guys are smart but not sure how you could miss/overlook this significant piece of info?

I will concede, however, that 4bet/c gets thinner (probably close to proportionally) as the brim of the sun hat gets smaller....

266666/CALL WTF

Heh I probably call river and then lose to something really stupid.

Fist pump 4bet/c givin dynamics and positions .
Don't know if I wanna be a hero otr tho.


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